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M2 Competition brakes vs. M2 CS brakes:
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Dedicated 2NH thread: see here. 2NH - M2 Competition: 2NH - M Performance Parts M2/M2C (BMW M Compound Brake Discs of the BMW M Sports Brake System Red): 2NH - M2 CS:
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Since you have no intention of tracking the car, the blue brakes are a good choice Cheaper replacement parts, easier to change front brake pads, considerably less weight and the ability to run 18" wheels are all worthwhile advantages in your situation If at some point down the road you do decide to start tracking the car and find the blue brakes inadequate you can always upgrade later to a 2NH kit or something even better like the Essex/AP Racing kit |
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To the OP, personally, I think you should go for the M Brakes since this is an M car. The visual difference alone is worth the upgrade. Think of it this way, are you going to get a major case of FOMO if you see another M2C with the huge rotors? Imagine this scenario, you're walking back to your car and notice another M2C next to it in identical spec and say out loud "great minds think alike!" But then from a distance you notice something is different and go "LOOK AT THOSE FREAKIN' BRAKES!" Then how are you going to feel?!?!?! In all honesty, sounds like the regular brakes would work just fine for you. But FOMO is real, just saying.
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1) Not being able to run 18" wheels. Which brings down the cost of wheels and tires. Making racing cheaper. And brings down the weight of the car. Meaning better handling and acceleration, but also meaning less braking force is needed to stop the car. 2) The cost of replacing rotors and pads. If you're a serious racer, you don't want racing to be expensive because you are spending so much on consumables. The cheaper things are, the more you can race. Do you really want to spend so much more money on consumables just to prevent fade in very limited circumstances? The answer is no. Larger brakes are not the solution. Brake cooling ducts are. This is 100x the best option, because it's a static cost. You keep the cheaper brakes, tires, and wheels, and don't end up running up costs on consumables. |
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There is no way to get fade on the street, so unless you're talking track this whole argument is over. And even if you're talking track you get the right pads, fluid and maybe even cooling, so still over.
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Besides, by your humorous logic, I would need to buy the limited-edition M2 CS to appease my FOMO. Or perhaps purchase thousands of dollars worth of carbon fibre bits, including the boot wing that can be seen from another zip code. Thanks for your concern, I will train myself not to look inside the front wheels of other M2C I come across. |
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My main argument against the 2NH brakes are that they are overkill for street use (as even the blue are), but both the 2NH and the blue brakes are insufficient for serious track use. If you are seriously tracking it, you will want a real BBK like AP Racing or similar. There are only the narrowest of use cases where 2NH are better than the blue brakes. In exchange for that, you deal with the huge increase in unsprung weight, inability to run 18" wheels, and stones scoring the barrel of your wheels even with 19" wheels due to the clearance. Last edited by chris719; 12-26-2019 at 10:56 PM.. |
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Last year availability for 2NH got tight due to production bottleneck issues (see dedicated thread here that made waves). Reason: unexpected higher take rate ("unerwartet hoher Nachfrage"). Brembo couldn't keep up with the high demand. 2NH could not be ordered for months and existing orders were either changed or delayed.
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Outside of looks and some increased fade resistance for the track 2NH have a lot of downsides. They are heavy, and prevent you running 18's which is where all the good tires have the most sizes. 18's are also cheaper, which if you track a lot will really add up.
My biggest issue with 2NH is the fixed calliper bridge, which makes changing the pads a complete PITA as you have to remove the calipers completely. With the standard brakes pad swaps are easy, just knock out the pins and drop them in. Overall I wouldn't of specced them if that was an option in the US. Would of saved the money for a BBK which I'm going to have to buy anyway. |
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Yes they are.
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Looks, both brakes are great on the car but we have to factor in that the car is a road car first and a fun track car second. If your'e going to let say, make a dedicated track car out of the M2C, then the brakes will need to be upgraded regardless. However, if you're going to take your street car on the track once in a while, then upgrade the pads, fluids, and lines, regardless of what brakes you have. In that retrospect, the M-Sport brakes will win 10/10 times. Throw some 763Ms, track tires, and pads/fluids/lines and you have a competent little car that you can have a blast on the track and drive home safely. Now if you're looking at setting lap times, well, that's a whole 'nother discussion.
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Only I find the blue calipers horrible and totally odd with any color of the car?
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That said, I'd actually be interested to see design comparisons between the blue and white brake options which would include everything from line pressure, decel g's, pad mu, rotor diameter and rotor thickness, etc. |
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