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      05-17-2018, 03:46 PM   #1
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2NH M Sport Brakes & M Performance Parts Brakes: bigger and ± 16 kg / 35 lbs extra

The 2NH "M Sport Brake" and the M Performance Parts "BMW M Compound Brake Discs of the BMW M Sports Brake System Red" are identical, except for the caliper color (silver for the 2NH and red for the MPP) (see Q&A here). The brake kit can be retrofitted on M2, M2 LCI and M2 Competition.

M2 Competition 2NH brakes feature the F8x carbon ceramic brake’s calipers (F&R) with 400mm/380mm steel rotors. And the F10 M5 standard brake’s front calipers are the same as F8x CCB front calipers.

Standard M2/M2C brakes (blue) (source: see here):
  • blue front caliper - 4.890 kg or 10.78 lbs
  • blue rear Caliper - 3.600 kg or 7.94 lbs
  • 380x30mm front rotor - 11.300 kg or 24.91 lbs
  • 370x24mm rear rotor - 9.300 kg or 20.50 lbs
    = 58.180 kg or 128.26 lbs
2NH M Sport Brakes (silver) - M Performance Parts Brakes (red):
  • silver/red front caliper - 7.540 kg or 16.62 lbs
  • silver/red rear Caliper - 4.310 kg or 9.50 lbs
  • 400x36mm front rotor - 13.870 kg or 30.58
  • 380x30mm rear rotor - 11.300 kg or 24.91
    = 74.040 kg or 163.23 lbs
Extra weight of the optimized silver/red brakes compared to the standard blue M2/M2C brakes = 15.86 kg or 34.97 lbs

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this package is a must have imo.
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this package is a must have imo.
Disagree, but that's just because I want to daily it, which makes that a winterset of 18s a must (again for me). You can't fit 18s with the sport brakes upgrade, as I was told by my sales rep.
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Can't wait to get my M2 comp! Happy these brakes are standard!
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Disagree, but that's just because I want to daily it, which makes that a winterset of 18s a must (again for me). You can't fit 18s with the sport brakes upgrade, as I was told by my sales rep.
I use 19" as my winterset...this works absolutely perfect!
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Can't wait to get my M2 comp! Happy these brakes are standard!
2NH are not standard...they are an option
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The 2NH brakes are standard here in Canada.
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2NH are not standard...they are an option
Not known for US.
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I hope they are standard.....
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I hope they are standard.....
They should be. Canada got a 9% increase with the new seats, wheels, brakes standard. Along with adaptive led. All signs point to US Competition not getting adaptive led as standard. If the US msrp is indeed 58,900, a 8% increase. That would be right inline where the increase should be without adaptive led. Standard 2NH brakes would explain a portion of the weight gained over M2.

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I use 19" as my winterset...this works absolutely perfect!
Damn it! Now you make me question my order
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The upgrade of m2 cs is no sense.
I try ccb on the m4 in Monza circuit compared with iron brake and the difference is enormous.

This new brake are just add of weight, lost of tire size (18 inch) and no more than half lap of durability.

Talking of road use will be worst for noise and more fuel consumption.

Basically a waste of money. A real upgrade was if they develope with Brembo a small ccb system, lighter and with 18inch rims
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Damn it! Now you make me question my order
I‘m not super happy ordering another 19 inch set of wheels and winter tyres for it, but where i live we don‘t see snow very often, maybe only few days if at all. So i‘ll go for the big brakes.
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The upgrade of m2 cs is no sense.
I try ccb on the m4 in Monza circuit compared with iron brake and the difference is enormous.

This new brake are just add of weight, lost of tire size (18 inch) and no more than half lap of durability.

Talking of road use will be worst for noise and more fuel consumption.

Basically a waste of money. A real upgrade was if they develope with Brembo a small ccb system, lighter and with 18inch rims
I think the big brakes looks good, but I am a bit concerned about the additional weight.

Stock brakes:
Stock front caliper 4,89 kg, disc 11,29 kg. Rear caliper 3,6 kg, disc 9,25 kg

Option front caliper 7,54 kg, disc approximately 13,8 kg. Rear caliper 4,3 kg, disc approximately 11,3 kg.
(https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1307736)

If my assumptions are correct, it all adds up to 15-16 kg of unsprung mass. I am considering not to add this option…
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The upgrade of m2 cs is no sense.
I try ccb on the m4 in Monza circuit compared with iron brake and the difference is enormous.

This new brake are just add of weight, lost of tire size (18 inch) and no more than half lap of durability.

Talking of road use will be worst for noise and more fuel consumption.

Basically a waste of money. A real upgrade was if they develope with Brembo a small ccb system, lighter and with 18inch rims
I think the big brakes looks good, but I am a bit concerned about the additional weight.

Stock brakes:
Stock front caliper 4,89 kg, disc 11,29 kg. Rear caliper 3,6 kg, disc 9,25 kg

Option front caliper 7,54 kg, disc approximately 13,8 kg. Rear caliper 4,3 kg, disc approximately 11,3 kg.
(https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1307736)

If my assumptions are correct, it all adds up to 15-16 kg of unsprung mass. I am considering not to add this option…
These new brake are + 15 kg of rotating weight
Ccb are -13,5, the difference is very high! 27/30 kg so no sense to spend more money for increasing of weight and maybe half lap of more resistance on the track. After that spend 10000 dollars for carbon parts to go at same weight.

This m performance pack is a fake!!!
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These new brake are + 15 kg of rotating weight
Ccb are -13,5, the difference is very high! 27/30 kg so no sense to spend more money for increasing of weight and maybe half lap of more resistance on the track. After that spend 10000 dollars for carbon parts to go at same weight.

This m performance pack is a fake!!!
Re-read his post with the estimates again. The majority of the increase isn't rotating since it is in the calipers.
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I am rather hoping they are an option, not standard, because I would pass on them.
But I also want a solid gold toilet, and I have to acknowledge that some things just aren't in the cards...
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These new brake are + 15 kg of rotating weight
Ccb are -13,5, the difference is very high! 27/30 kg so no sense to spend more money for increasing of weight and maybe half lap of more resistance on the track. After that spend 10000 dollars for carbon parts to go at same weight.

This m performance pack is a fake!!!
Re-read his post with the estimates again. The majority of the increase isn't rotating since it is in the calipers.
The problem is another:
they ask for money for "new" fake brakes that increase weight of 15 kg, a lot for a very similar performance and then they ask for 10000/15000 usd of carbon parts to reduce 15 kg weight.

Anyone can understand that is absolutely crazy.
If you have a budget of 10000 usd you buy ccb and reduce weight of 13,5 where part of this are not suspended parts. You have the best brake ever and you can also make track days.

That's it. all the carbon parts are no sense waste of money and ccb are not available Oem.
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It looks to be the M2 Comp 2NH brakes are front and rear F8x carbon ceramic brake’s calipers with 400mm/380mm iron rotors.
So add the ceramic rotors?
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Stupid question. If the calipers are from the CCB's and the discs share the same hat dimensions, can you just replace the steel discs and pads with the CCB parts? Or is the piston and seals + master cylinder different when running CCB's.

Obviously this may be cost prohibitive but you should be able to offload the oem discs for a good price if near new.
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Ok, extra weight. But let's also talk about functionality: how improved is their braking capacity ? Many reported that track guys prefer steel brakes over CCB's (some Porsche guys even taking off the CCB's from their track cars).

Normal brake pads don't squeak/squeal. The optional track race pads do.

Do these new 2NH silver sport brakes / red M Performance brakes come stock with the 'normal' brake pads or do these come with those noisy race pads ?
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some Porsche guys even taking off the CCB's from their track cars
From the threads I read a while ago they were replacing due to cost. The CCB's didn't get the life expectancies drivers were hoping for.
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