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      09-23-2016, 11:42 AM   #1
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F87 M2 with M4/M3 Carbon Ceramic Brakes with weights

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Ever since we collected our M2 we wanted to carry out this conversion. We hadn't seen it carried out before (found out the MOTO GP car had it afterwards!) but were confident it would be a straightforward as the M2 uses M3/M4 running gear. You can follow the car build on instagram @StarlaM2












We took the opportunity to weigh (KG) the components as we carried out the work.

Stock Front Caliper




Front Caliper for Ceramics




Stock Rear Caliper




Rear Caliper for Ceramics




Stock Front Disc




Ceramic Front Disc




Stock Rear Disc




Ceramic Rear Disc




The calipers weigh a total of 6.72 KG more but the discs are 14.98 KG lighter losing 3.96 KG of rotating mass on each front and 3.53 KG on each rear disc.

We are going to try to lose as much weight as possible off this car without stripping bits off it. Forged Wheels are next in stock sizes to shave of a few more KG's of rotating mass.

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      09-23-2016, 02:25 PM   #2
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Carbon Revolution wheels would lose serious rotating weight off it. they weigh 8.5 pounds each or 3.85 Kgs.
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      09-26-2016, 03:28 PM   #3
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wow nice! did you have to change the brake booster?
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Good data and beautiful brakes!
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wow nice! did you have to change the brake booster?
Yes we used the full retro fit kit including the brake servo.
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      09-28-2016, 06:42 AM   #6
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Good data and beautiful brakes!
Thanks! We will try and weigh everything we remove and fit.
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Yes we used the full retro fit kit including the brake servo.
thanks for the confirmation
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These should be optional, along with adaptive dampers from the factory.
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Bravo! Bravo! Maybe BMW will offer this in a competition package together with cf roof and the b58 engine.
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Meh who am I kidding lol
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Looks like bmw beat you to it.
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Ever since we collected our M2 we wanted to carry out this conversion. We hadn't seen it carried out before (found out the MOTO GP car had it afterwards!) but were confident it would be a straightforward as the M2 uses M3/M4 running gear.












We took the opportunity to weigh (KG) the components as we carried out the work.

Stock Front Caliper




Front Caliper for Ceramics




Stock Rear Caliper




Rear Caliper for Ceramics




Stock Front Disc




Ceramic Front Disc




Stock Rear Disc




Ceramic Rear Disc




The calipers weigh a total of 6.72 KG more but the discs are 14.98 KG lighter losing 3.96 KG of rotating mass on each front and 3.53 KG on each rear disc.

We are going to try to lose as much weight as possible off this car without stripping bits off it. Forged Wheels are next in stock sizes to shave of a few more KG's of rotating mass.

I almost came out of my chair when I saw the calipers weigh MORE! Glad I kept reading to see that discs provide weight savings for the combo. Thanks for taking the time to make these measurements..

8 lbs per corner is a decent amount of unsprung weight... but I still cant imagine that this really is a justifiable upgrade for anything more than the bling factor.. the calipers and rotors must have cost $7-10K... ?

The gold calipers look great on MG and would look great on BSM. Not sure they would work so well on AW or LBB
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Meh who am I kidding lol
lol imagine if they surprise us all and drop the S55 in there
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These should be optional, along with adaptive dampers from the factory.
I bet cars equipped with CCB will depreciate as fast as a 7-series. That's fast! 7 ;p
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Do CCB M3/4's have a different master cylinder and/or DSC unit?
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Was only a matter of time. When I was out in Thermal (back in March driving the M2) the instructions and BMW Geniuses said the parts conversion would be a simple swap as everything matched between the two. It's nice to see the final products. I could only imagine what this would cost to do as the parts are crazy $$$.
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Crazy the calipers are that much more robust/heavy.
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Putting aside braking performance... Does it drive any differently?
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lol imagine if they surprise us all and drop the S55 in there

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I almost came out of my chair when I saw the calipers weigh MORE! Glad I kept reading to see that discs provide weight savings for the combo. Thanks for taking the time to make these measurements..

8 lbs per corner is a decent amount of unsprung weight... but I still cant imagine that this really is a justifiable upgrade for anything more than the bling factor.. the calipers and rotors must have cost $7-10K... ?

The gold calipers look great on MG and would look great on BSM. Not sure they would work so well on AW or LBB
I was surprised as well about the calipers until I remembered that the CCB calipers are 6 piston front and 4 piston rear, so it's not just that gold paint is heavier

I think that you're getting 8 lbs or so of savings per corner in rotating mass, but the unsprung savings is roughly 3 lbs in each front corner and 6 in the rear. Not that it matters a whole lot as both are somewhat small savings. For kicks, I did some calculations based on the weights shared:

Unsprung Savings (kg) Rotating Savings (kg)
Front Corner 1.31 3.96
Front Total 2.62 7.92
Rear Corner 2.82 3.53
Rear Total 5.64 7.06
Total 8.26 14.98
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I will take ceramic brakes over steel anyday of the week. I dun care for the weight savings or fade resistance as those dun mean a whole lot for street driving. The absence of brake dust alone does it for me!
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