View Poll Results: Will you Sell/Trade your Current M2 for a 2019 M2 Competition | |||
Yes definitely, I want one. | 20 | 8.81% | |
No way, not worth it | 165 | 72.69% | |
undecided | 24 | 10.57% | |
I will buy a used 2019 M2 Competition in a few years when they depreciate | 18 | 7.93% | |
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06-12-2018, 02:41 PM | #23 | |
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Well... The interior has a lot weird shapes and angles that I find displeasing, the fit and finish is exceptionally poor, the infotainment screen is too pronounced and in my face, the collision assistance system (or whatever it's called) defaults to 'on', the driving position is too high, the car feels like a CUV, and the DCT is terrible and different for the sake of being different. The car as a whole makes me think it's geared toward 20-somethings. It's rowdy and chock full of tech crap that need not be in a car. The car would have been amazing to me 15 years ago. Now I'm going to back to Porsche. It was my mistake for straying, and literally every other car for the past several cars has been a 911. I've had five, and they're the only cars that I seem to go back to. They do everything the M2 does, but without the drama of noise and weird styling. Maybe I'm getting too old. |
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Thanks a lot for the detailed clarification.
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I don't care for the tech crap myself; I would have done without Nav and iDrive if I had had the choice, and I ordered my car with zero options, so I don't have those executive package nannies, no sunroof, none of that shit. I also have a manual, and if the M2 was not available with a manual, I would not have bought it. I find the car somewhat distant as regards the driver to machine connection; I have the same complaint with my Mark VII Golf R, whose EPS is way worse than that in the M2. The truth is that all modern cars, with the possible exception of a hot hatch or two, and maybe the Miata, have distanced themselves from the driver and have way too much in the way of electronics. One can wonder about current vintage Porsches in this same regard, which I would bet are similarly handicapped. The loaners I get from the Porsche dealer when I take my 2003 911 TT in, are not enjoyable cars to drive, but then they have been the SUVs and not 911s or Caymans. I believe that the M2 could be way better than it is, without all the electronics, a few inches smaller in all dimensions, several hundred pounds less weight, and better EPS (or praise the lord, hydraulic PS). At the same time, I think some of your opinion is simply based upon your being a "Porsche person." There's nothing wrong with being a Porsche person; I own a 996 TT myself, and I do enjoy driving it when I do, but it could never be my regular car. I guess that makes me a "BMW person," although the brand is giving me every reason to reconsider that moniker, and I may end up just sticking with my older ones and refrain from buying any of the new ones, going forward.
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I daily drive my 911s. When I have one in the garage, I don't want to drive anything else because when I do, I'm constantly comparing it to a 911. I had a 997.1 GT3 RS that I put 35,000 miles on in two years. Other than the difficulty of finding snow tires, it was a lovely experience. I'm in queue for a 991.2 GT3. I want a Touring, but due to NHTSA mandating reverse cameras, one can no longer order it with a radio delete. I'm pretty chafed about that because, like you, I don't want that crap in cars, however it's only going to get worse as autonomous operations are integrated. |
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06-12-2018, 06:09 PM | #31 |
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Car and Driver's review of the 2018 M4 ends with....
"For a better take on what we love about M cars, the advice persists that you could save a bundle and pick the smaller M2" Yea, the M2 isn't perfect, and isn't for everyone. However, for the price the M2 was released at, and even it's current price, it's a fantastic, fun driving machine! I'm fortunate that I have other cars for long drives, or other times the M2 isn't a great fit, but the majority of times, it has four reasonably large seats, and is a blast to drive! The thing sticks to the road better then any car I've owned since the '90's when I had a Lotus Esprit. M2C has discontinued the Mineral Gray, which is what I have and really love (love the black, but it shows every swirl mark and every scratch, and is hard to keep clean). Also, from what I've seen so far, at the lower speeds... 0-60, the M2C is a 1/10th of a second faster then the M2. I'm sure it's faster when you're driving at 70, 80mph, and would easily pull away from an M2, but honestly, I'm not finding my M2 lacking at higher speeds very often. I just don't drive at 90, 100+ enough for it to really matter. Also engine sound... I may be wrong, but if BMW could make the S55 engine sound as good as the N55, I wonder why they didn't do it for the M3 and M4. Those cars simply don't sound nearly as good as the current M2's. Only thing I'd miss from an M2C are the seats... and it isn't a deal breaker for me. Loved the M2 when I test drove it six months ago, and still love it now that I have my own! |
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the one thing i've learned with my m2 is that 365hp is overkill for the traffic of so cal and that when i get faster track times than my s2k and frs buddies they blame the extra hp lol.
so no i wont be getting the m2c, in fact the plan is to get rid of the m2 in a couple of years and get the upcoming miata "competition" model along with a more fun and practical than the m2 DD.....gti, wrx or 3 series wagon, something like that. |
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I am however very happy with the msport brakes and seats standard, and the base price of 58995 |
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I'll skip the competition. My actual M2 remembers me on my previous 1M, can't imagine the comp would too...
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The M2C is an amazing proposition for a new owner. Although regrettably it costs a bit more and it would have been nice to see BMW keep prices low or even lower to attract new buyers, it's still a solid deal. Is it worth buying ANOTHER new car in such a short time span? Absolutely not. Just purely on a monetary basis. Emotionally maybe people lust after those seats or the S55 but, it's a tall order for the trade in/selling loss versus new price (plus likely markup).
I would think for most of us the CS/CSL/next variant up will be the compelling model.
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06-14-2018, 07:23 AM | #41 |
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No, I didn’t drive a 2-er. I bought the car over the phone and the dealer delivered it.
No, I bought a C2S to drive while I search for the right 997 Turbo S. The M2 was supposed to hold me over until my GT3 allocation comes up. That said, there’s nothing wrong with Porsche SUVs. There’s a Macan Turbo in the garage right now, and it’s a fantastic vehicle in every respect. |
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06-14-2018, 07:29 AM | #42 | |
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Lesson learned I would imagine.. You apparently are at least the second person to not even consider a test drive of any model that purchased the " wrong car " ... the fellow that this happened to about two weeks ago to... @steve something .... decided that he really needed a family vehicle and ended up looking at X3. Good luck |
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06-14-2018, 11:57 AM | #44 | |
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I started buying 911s years ago and to save up for a GT3, I sold a Turbo S and set a budget for a car. On paper, the M2 seemed perfect and I thought it would be similar to my E46, which I loved. I bought the M2 and had a buddy who is still at a BMW score put me on his M2 Competition list. I thought I had the next year of cars planned out. The reality of the M2 doesn’t fit what I’ve come to expect in cars. All modern cars are complex, but BMW now seems to relish in showcasing it. The car drives well, but the interfaces, both physical and electronic, are not what I personally like. That said, the price of a new M2 buys a nice used 911. That brings us back to the topic of this thread, which is ‘are you dumping the M2 for a Competition’. My answer remains, ‘I was planning to, but now I’m dumping the M2’. It’s not an discussion about economics, per se, it’s a discussion about preference. |
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