[MR.]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Technically 410HP is maximum because of cooling problems
So this car never happened lol.
Look at that revcounter going berzerk!
[VIDEO]
Cheers
Robin

It will have an upgraded intercooler and air intake...

MR

[Free Spirit]

Originally Posted by ///M Houbi

Manual is dead. DCT is dead. Auto will be the one and only future... :/

Stop, you're making me sad

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Technically 410HP is maximum because of cooling problems

So this car never happened lol.

Look at that revcounter going berzerk!


Cheers
Robin

Yea, I'm not buying what he's saying lol. Within the same generation, they will never make an M2 that makes the same power as M4, or an M2 Comp that makes the same or more power than the M4 Comp, or an M2 CS making same or more power than the M4 CS etc. for obvious reasons. I'm pretty confident this car has enough cooling capabilities to handle CS power level with about 40-50HP more.

Edit: On a separate note, I'm curious about the exhaust setup on the S55 M2 in that video

[Free Spirit]

That "not enough cooling" in the M2C is BS. It has the same exact setup as the M4.

They didn't want it to outshine the M4 CS, so the sales people could say "Oh, the M4 has more power, blah, blah.. "

Yea, if you read between the lines, they do want to axe the manual.. I believe the 50% take rate in the M2 saved its bacon for the next generation M2.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Well said.
Sadly BMW //M is not like TVR or Lotus or Caterham but on the other hand you get a more practical, a more well rounded sporty vehicle and which is build to last(understatement).

BMW //M cars are a compromise, they always have been.

But Frank van Meel telling us in M2C there are still too little front openings for cooling the S55, hence they are stuck with only 410 HP instead of 431HP(EU spec M3/4) is just utter nonsense.

It's the M2/3/4 hierarchy that makes //Marketing decide as we all know.

Cayman as from an engineering standingpoint, setup/mid engine/size/chassis is a better sportscar than 911 but 911 is King so 911 gets the real deal/engine (GT3) vs Cayman GT4(souped up normal 3.8)
Porsche is doing the same thing.

Cheers
Robin

Absolutely right - it's a neutering exercise, and always will be.

[Spydert]

Originally Posted by mybostonjack

Will there be a 'regular' M2 alongside a M2 Competition (à la M5 / M5 Competition) with the next generation?

Seems that way from what he said.
It is indeed a moderately revealing interview.
Thanks - OP.

[///M Houbi]

Originally Posted by JimmyF87

Stop, you're making me sad

Yes this makes me sad too.

But happy my 6MT M2C is on its way....

[Free Spirit]

Originally Posted by ///M Houbi

Yes this makes me sad too.

But happy my 6MT M2C is on its way....

Congratulation and thanks for keeping the manual take-rate going!

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by JimmyF87

Congratulation and thanks for keeping the manual take-rate going!

Ditto!!

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by ///M Houbi

We have already sold more than 25,000 M2 and demand remains high.

[Lp01]

Sorry for my “mechanical” ignorance, but the M2 Competition press release says:

“In order to ensure extremely precise wheel location, play-free ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces. The longitudinal forces passing through the chassis are transmitted into the torque struts directly via special elastomer bearings, which simultaneously delivers the desired rolling comfort. All the control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are made from forged aluminium. In addition, a racing-derived rigid connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear axle subframe to the body. This further improves wheel location and tracking stability.”

Given that dampers and springs are the same as the OG M2, can you help me understand if:

1) play-free ball joints are new or already present in the OG M2?
2) five-link rear axle has something new (namely being fabricated in aluminum) or is it the same as the OG M2?
3) racing-derived rigid connection dispensing rubber bushings is a “premier” of the competition or already a OG M2 feature?

Thanks for your clarification!

[chris719]

It's all the same as the OG M2. Marketing is just recycling stuff to mislead you into thinking they did more than just a strut brace.

[Faikius]

Originally Posted by ///M Houbi

Yes this makes me sad too.

But happy my 6MT M2C is on its way....

+1

Would not have considered the M2C if it was DCT only.