[hellrotm]

N55 is BMW's engine for normal cars. It is tuned for more down low torque, putting around town and stop light driving.

S55 is design from ground up for driving pleasure, rev happy motor for canyon driving and the track.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. With that said...you can tune a S55 for more torque down low, but then it becomes hard to handle with the amount of torque.

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by Aboen

It’s been explained over and over again on this forum… You’re just trying to find more validation

Validation? This is my slowest car in my fleet. I just am dumbfounded with the lack of racing knowledge in a M forum..

[Davil]

Originally Posted by FSU_Logan

Validation? This is my slowest car in my fleet. I just am dumbfounded with the lack of racing knowledge in a M forum..

Driving knowledge.

[chris719]

I don't know... This thread feels like shitstirring in the other direction from where it usually comes. We all know what the torque curves look like, and your racing knowledge (lol) doesn't have anything to do with either engine or anyone's preferences. I'm happy to point out when either side gets a little carried away.

[Poochie]

The last thing to complain about is power in the M2C. This S55 motor qualifies as a contemporary torque monster.

If the speed is progressively built up, it's obviously because BMW felt this was necessary for the car to properly put down power, without wasting it away in showy wheel spin..

A tune will be give you that slingshot surge of power on take-offs you'll are looking for..

Just remember to pour it strait..

[warrenw]

I wouldn't say it's lacking low end torque, I think it has plenty...

You guys are all weird and complain about the weirdest stuff lol

[Davil]

Originally Posted by warrenw

I wouldn't say it's lacking low end torque, I think it has plenty...

You guys are all weird and complain about the weirdest stuff lol

Which I think is the point of OPs post. Also, yes! So many posts are inane. But we all keep coming back

[DelGriffith]

Coming out of a 2017 M2 DCT,,,,

Low end feels sluggish in comparison, almost sounds like it's lugging sometimes if you are used to the behavior and sound (ASD off) of the OG. Also, when standing on it, it seems much more apparent when the turbo spools up. However, as stated, from about 3000 up, the pull is much stronger, and longer. Doesn't seem to crap out around 5500 like its predecessor. I haven't coded off the ASD yet, but this is my impression after 2000 km in Deutschland....

[10"]

Originally Posted by Aboen

It's been explained over and over again on this forum… You're just trying to find more validation

Seriously. This question is hardly a question.

On the street, where 99% of users are driving their cars 99.8% of the time; it matters what happens under 3-4K RPM. Stopped at a stop light? It matters. Slowing down a lot and get rolling again? It matters. Coming out of a turn? It matters. Most people don't drive at 6500 rpm in cities and on the streets; what matters is responsiveness and that is initially judged at low RPM.

Contrary to the false image that some people push forward; people aren't on the track every day. People aren't screaming at 6500 RPM through long winding turns trying to hit the apex every evening; people ARE running to the grocery store to pick up some toilet paper or diapers that they promised to buy yesterday but forgot for the 2nd straight day. Yeah you may "race" to beat that old lady trying to cut you off to get into the express lane of the supermarket checkout; but that's about the most "racing" that will happen to most people on any given day.

I do realize reality is painful...but it's plainly apparent.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by 10"

Seriously. This question is hardly a question.

On the street, where 99% of users are driving their cars 99.8% of the time; it matters what happens under 3-4K RPM. Stopped at a stop light? It matters. Slowing down a lot and get rolling again? It matters. Coming out of a turn? It matters. Most people don't drive at 6500 rpm in cities and on the streets; what matters is responsiveness and that is initially judged at low RPM.

Contrary to the false image that some people push forward; people aren't on the track every day. People aren't screaming at 6500 RPM through long winding turns trying to hit the apex every evening; people ARE running to the grocery store to pick up some toilet paper or diapers that they promised to buy yesterday but forgot for the 2nd straight day. Yeah you may "race" to beat that old lady trying to cut you off to get into the express lane of the supermarket checkout; but that's about the most "racing" that will happen to most people on any given day.

I do realize reality is painful...but it's plainly apparent.

No it's not.

You probably want it to be like that but no

The gearing too is different than OG M2, so you're always(irl ) in the powerful zone (>2300RPM) and if not(and you're feeling it won't go as you want)....


TADAAAA!


Solution:

---> you can shift one gear down....

It's not a small coffeemaker with some turbo on it, it's a 3.0 R6 twin turbo...FGS

Or just keep it in automode whatever....


Cheers
Robin (ex 1M, OG M2)

[Spare°]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

No it's not.

You probably want it to be like that but no

The gearing too is different than OG M2, so you're always(irl ) in the powerful zone (>2300RPM) and if not(and you're feeling it won't go as you want)....


TADAAAA!


Solution:

---> you can shift one gear down....

It's not a small coffeemaker with some turbo on it, it's a 3.0 R6 twin turbo...FGS

Or just keep it in automode whatever....


Cheers
Robin (ex 1M, OG M2)

This, this, this... If I wanted low end torque I would have bought a diesel.

[Quietmind]

It’s pretty cool that the OG and Comp require/reward a very different driving style from each other. I recently purchased a 997 C2S (such a great deal I couldn’t pass it up). It’s the first car I’ve ever owned that rewards the high rev style of driving. Pretty much fallen in love with it because of that. So I’m enthused by the reports of the M2C behaving similarly!

[Poochie]

There are now a couple of vendors here that offer OBD 2 to APP flash tunes that can be rewritten in under 5 mins..

You can control the boost % per gear, thus allowing you front-load the initial throttle response, as desired.. I think this pretty much solves this so-called low torque issue..

Google is your friend..

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Quietmind

It’s pretty cool that the OG and Comp require/reward a very different driving style from each other. I recently purchased a 997 C2S (such a great deal I couldn’t pass it up). It’s the first car I’ve ever owned that rewards the high rev style of driving. Pretty much fallen in love with it because of that. So I’m enthused by the reports of the M2C behaving similarly!

Congrats. I was in the market for a 997 C2S 6MT when I chose E90 M3 6MT...two younger kids back then.

997 S is a way more torquey engine than M3 E90 V8 ever will be, or let's put it like this, my ex E90 M3 had way too long gearing to enjoy real life driving, plus E9x M3 are 'fat' cars.

997S.----> an excellent real life atmospheric engine. Powerful enough and revhappy. Porsche knows how to build engines and cars!

M2C feels more like a slingshot from 3000rpm on

Cheers
Robin

[10"]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

No it's not.

You probably want it to be like that but no

The gearing too is different than OG M2, so you're always(irl ) in the powerful zone (>2300RPM) and if not(and you're feeling it won't go as you want)....


TADAAAA!


Solution:

---> you can shift one gear down....

It's not a small coffeemaker with some turbo on it, it's a 3.0 R6 twin turbo...FGS

Or just keep it in automode whatever....


Cheers
Robin (ex 1M, OG M2)

Unless you're in 2nd; then you'll be grinding 1st gear all day long!! :P

[mr_lab_rat]

I think lot of this confusion comes from dyno charts. The problem is that everyone starts the pull from different RPMs. If you spin the drum at 1500 and hammer it then you are likely to see near peak torque by 2500. But if someone starts at 2200 they likely won't get to full torque by 3000.

[FSU_Logan]

Originally Posted by chris719

I don't know... This thread feels like shitstirring in the other direction from where it usually comes. We all know what the torque curves look like, and your racing knowledge (lol) doesn't have anything to do with either engine or anyone's preferences. I'm happy to point out when either side gets a little carried away.

You're missing the sarcasm

Edit: seems most are, lol.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by 10"

Unless you're in 2nd; then you'll be grinding 1st gear all day long!! :P

I never use 1st gear only from a standstill.:-)

I always drifted my ex 1M in 3rd or even 4th gear depending on tyre choice/weather/slippery surface.
OG M2 drifting upshifting from 3rd to 4th if possible, DCT.

Cheers
Robin

[Proctor750]

Originally Posted by Poochie

There are now a couple of vendors here that offer OBD 2 to APP flash tunes that can be rewritten in under 5 mins..

You can control the boost % per gear, thus allowing you front-load the initial throttle response, as desired.. I think this pretty much solves this so-called low torque issue..

Google is your friend..

If you go with something like an off the shelf CS tune - can you stilll mess with the boost per gear? Or are those off the shelf tunes what you see is what you get?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I never use 1st gear only from a standstill.:-)

I always drifted my ex 1M in 3rd or even 4th gear depending on tyre choice/weather/slippery surface.
OG M2 drifting upshifting from 3rd to 4th if possible, DCT.

Cheers
Robin

Originally Posted by Proctor750

If you go with something like an off the shelf CS tune - can you stilll mess with the boost per gear? Or are those off the shelf tunes what you see is what you get?

That I am not sure about; I assume with a CS tune, the boost mapping is already predetermined.

The boost/gear % control would be consider a custom mapping since you're manipulating the boost/RPM, as you choose.

[AlpsRider]

I fail to comprehend what all the fuss is about. I very rarely look at my tachometer unless it is just for fun (except for break-in). The relationship that one has with the throttle and gear shifter doesn't need a tach to tell you when to shift and everything to do with how the power curve feels with your butt dyno. I remember once riding with some young novice motorcycle riders. We stopped to have coffee on our ride through the mountains and all they could talk about is what gears they were using and at what rpm they were shifting at. I was thinking to myself "who cares" ride the bike, become one with the bike and forget about the tach.

[///M Houbi]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I fail to comprehend what all the fuss is about. I very rarely look at my tachometer unless it is just for fun (except for break-in). The relationship that one has with the throttle and gear shifter doesn't need a tach to tell you when to shift and everything to do with how the power curve feels with your butt dyno. I remember once riding with some young novice motorcycle riders. We stopped to have coffee on our ride through the mountains and all they could talk about is what gears they were using and at what rpm they were shifting at. I was thinking to myself "who cares" ride the bike, become one with the bike and forget about the tach.

Exactly this.