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Let's discuss the BMW "M2 CS" rumor: will there be a hardcore M2 variant 2019/2020 ?
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M2 CS ? Now that's interesting ! OK, catch my 'hit-or-miss' drift for a moment. CS = Coupé Sport CSL = Coupé Sport Leichtbau = Coupé Sport Lightweight construction. It was already hinted in the past that BMW plans to reboo(s)t "CSL" as a brand through future BMW model variants, showcasing BMW's advanced technology (especially eDrive): Quote:
Now, if BMW wants to do justice to the letter "L" in "CSL", a 6-cyl might not be quite the preferred engine-layout choice. 3/4/5-cyl = less weight, improved fuel consumption figures, less CO2 emissions, etc. As indicated in a previous comment (and see also here and here), some at 2erTalk claim that BMW has been testing an M2 featuring an S55 engine that turned out to be "over 8 seconds faster than an M4" on the Nürburgring Nordschleife (which should give an impressive 07:43 or 07:44 lap time | M4 GTS = 07:28 | Porsche Cayman GT4 = 07:40 (claimed without video) | M4 = 07:52 | base M2 = 07:58 | 1M = 08:15). A BMW 6-cyl, compact sized Porsche Cayman GT4 fighter (price-tag may be accordingly) ? Now that's the kind of pocket rocket speak that sounds like cool music to many ears (except for those of the competition). If that interesting S55 rumor would be accurate (let's not take it for granted yet), then I doubt that BMW is testing this test mule without a bigger plan in mind. Maybe not for now or the near future, but for a more distant future. Especially when considering that the M2 base version is out on the streets from April 16 onwards and an M2 lifecycle impulse (LCI) is rumored for no earlier than MY 2018. SCOTT26 may have hinted to that particular M2 variant - rather than to an M2 CSL - when he referred a couple of times in the past to a more aggressive, faster M2 'sibling' who's an even closer relative to the BMW Vision Concept GT6 than the base M2 is + features M235i Racing width (width without mirrors: BMW M235i Racing = 1862mm/73.3in | base M2 = 1854mm/73.0in): "The standard M2 is a more realistic version of the Vision GT which when you bring it back into typical M proportions you still get a muscular body and uniquely honed aerodynamic packet. The "sibling" packs on more "visual" bulk so it looks like an M2 but with additional equipment it's slightly wider but this is helped by the add-on wheel arches at the same width of the M235i Race Car. Not too big and not too wide but the differences in width between standard [base M2] and "sibling" are apparent as is the aerodynamics aided with a more race-like splitter, diffuser and spoiler. It's the first BMW "Batmobile" since the E21. Quote:
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And, though it's mere speculation, that might eventually explain why the daily driver oriented base M2 does not feature some of the more recent hallmark ///M goodies (S engine, CF roof, powerdome, one-piece front seats, 'discussed to death' dedicated mirrors, etc.). Not giving it all away right from the start - reserve some stuff for the track-oriented expensive puppy. Also about the likely CSL brand reboo(s)t: Quote:
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What is e drive? Is that BMW speak for hybrid? How are they going to cut weight adding that technology to an already heavy car...even with a 4 banger?
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400 bhp +
100kg + less weight More downforce Racing bucket seats Harness option Carbon brakes Carbon roof Carbon bonnet Lighter wheel options Cup 2 tyres M mirrors Bigger wing but better looking than GTS Wider arches Carbon front splitter Different colour options Ability to delete rear seats Akrapovic exhaust Adjustable suspension Say £65000 basic price like GT4 say £75k for a decent spec M decal option Limited numbers Delivery mid 2017 Full CSL needed please not a half way house |
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M2 CS or M2 CSL, if ever commercialized = track-oriented. Hardcore. I cannot make sound statements about the M2 CS or M2 CSL, as we got zero information confirmed. Just assuming, as we speak.
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Just like the E46 M3 CSL, the M3 GTS and the M4 GTS, IF there comes an M2 CS(L) it will only be with a DCT like gearbox and not with a manual tranny...
And it will cost even more, like the M2 already is a bargain, in my country it certainly is not I will be excited if/when an M2 CS/L comes out offcourse. But first >3 months waiting for my 'normal' M2... Cheers Robin |
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I remain hopeful for a hardcore M2 version, hopefully in the not-too-distant future. |
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I'm guessing we'll get an M2 ZCP in the US and that's probably it for this model generation. It will have the ZCP wheels, optional adaptive suspension from the M3/M4, an ecu tune, new MDM settings, and possibly a few other smaller changes.
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"I have never said that it will be a series car, but there won't be an M2 GTS either.
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However, it surely appears that all the materials to develop a CSL are being are/already developed and are being tested right in front of us. I doubt that there the CCBs on the M2 Motorsport pace car are there just for looks and I also question any " need" There was a 1M pace car running pace for the same series on the same race tracks without custom developed brakes Iirc. - start with M235 update racing chassis - throw the M performance catalog at it - add CCBs that are on the Motorsport pace car - add meth injection system and tune - add rear wing and other aero recently tested with tacked on bits on the M235 racing about 6 months ago. Add a little eye of M and wing of GTS and let the cauldron bubble... There is room and time to make a CSL concept with more carbon fiber core and roof ala M4 GTS and have it go on sale next summer as a full CSL. Then a year or two later an M2 Comp pkg model for the final years of M2 as the next M3/M4 are being readied. |
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You've left out the money angle.
That is, any car which carries the CSL badge is going to draw a lot of attention, particularly at the start. And that means the profit potential on such a car is huge. IMO, that's how the discussion starts, i.e., what platform will yield the highest profit. I don't think the M2 platform will do that. There have been a number of discussions why the M2 is considered a "limited availability" car. A strictly M2 CSL platform would be faced with those same constraints, and constraints would lower profit. No such constraints seem to exist with the M3/M4 production. Which is why I think the first CSL platform will be M4 sized - unconstrained production. |
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I love how a core group of you guys keeps perpetuating this baseless rumor in the hopes that if you say it often enough it will become true
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However we have an M4 GTS so if we also get an M4 CSL that would be interesting. It would have to be over $150K in US however and in serious super car territory. I envision a CSL homage vehicle perhaps and M2 CSL because the chassis is available. |
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E-Boost is a performance feature developed with BMW M. And was introduced on the CSL Hommage concept cars.
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Well, the M4 CS was just unofficially announced, so why not an M2 CS?
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