[MR RIZK]

Does anyone have handy the oem setup corner weight data handy. Found some info of the OG model but not the comp.

[GoHerd]

savagegeese put it on the scale
11:47

[MR RIZK]

Originally Posted by GoHerd

savagegeese put it on the scale
11:47

Awesome. Thanks !!

Posting the data if anyone else is searching

[243Racing]

Meanwhile my OG M2 weighed in at 3390.

Good lord.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Meanwhile my OG M2 weighed in at 3390.

Good lord.

Was yours a MT?

The OG M2 DCT was 3516lbs.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Was yours a MT?

The OG M2 DCT was 3516lbs.

Yes, it is. 6MT, no sunroof.

[Sarg33]

Different engine with extra turbo, bigger wheels, tires, and brakes. I would say 126.5 lbs. more isn't too bad (DCT vs DCT).

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Sarg33

Different engine with extra turbo, bigger wheels, tires, and brakes. I would say 126.5 lbs. more isn't too bad (DCT vs DCT).

Agreed.

Also add full length dual exhaust.

[Sarg33]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Agreed.

Also add full length dual exhaust.

Oops, I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Sarg33

Different engine with extra turbo, bigger wheels, tires, and brakes. I would say 126.5 lbs. more isn't too bad (DCT vs DCT).

Huh? M2C tires and wheels are same size & spec as OG M2 , if they managed to make the wheels heavier that's what the kids call a "Fail"

I didn't see if the car in the video has 2NH brakes...that's an option, not standard, right?

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Huh? M2C tires and wheels are same size & spec as OG M2 , if they managed to make the wheels heavier that's what the kids call a "Fail"

I didn't see if the car in the video has 2NH brakes...that's an option, not standard, right?

2NH are standard in US. The 788 wheels weigh more than the 437, so the sizes are the same yes, but the weight is not.



Extra turbo, water to air intercooler, 7(?) heat exchangers, HUGE brakes, full dual exhaust, the rear ballsack, bigger and heavier seats, etc. It all adds up, but the weight difference is offset by the extra POWAAAA.

Realistically though, some lighter wheels and an aftermarket exhaust on the Comp, and the weight savings from the OG will be minimal.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Huh? M2C tires and wheels are same size & spec as OG M2 , if they managed to make the wheels heavier that's what the kids call a "Fail"

I didn't see if the car in the video has 2NH brakes...that's an option, not standard, right?

US cars all have 2NH brakes.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Conissah

2NH are standard in US. The 788 wheels weigh more than the 437, so the sizes are the same yes, but the weight is not.



Extra turbo, water to air intercooler, 7(?) heat exchangers, HUGE brakes, full dual exhaust, the rear ballsack, bigger and heavier seats, etc. It all adds up, but the weight difference is offset by the extra POWAAAA.

Thanks for clarifying on the brakes.

Adding unsprung weight via heavier wheels is a big fail. I get that the power to weight ratios are similar, but the thing weighs as much as a 6th gen Camaro. I've said it before; if I wanted a heavy touring car I'd get an M4.

Didn't mean to derail the thread, but it looks like OP got his answer

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Thanks for clarifying on the brakes.

Adding unsprung weight via heavier wheels is a big fail. I get that the power to weight ratios are similar, but the thing weighs as much as a 6th gen Camaro. I've said it before; if I wanted a heavy touring car I'd get an M4.

Yeah it's a PIG. But I don't think we will ever see any lightweight cars any more, for the average consumer, that aren't bare bones econoboxes or just momentum cars (GT86 / Miata). Sure, you can go buy an expensive sports car, a GT3 for example, that weighs 3100 lbs, but those are unattainable for most folks, myself included.

Emissions are adding a TON of weight to new vehicles, and it'll only get worse. Crash safety standards are demanding safer and safer cars, which in turn adds more weight, and as consumers, we aren't really willing to sacrifice on any niceties to drop said weight. Everyone already complains that the M2 has a subpar interior, but imagine the extra weight if it were all leather and plush materials and alcantara with extra sound deadening and what not.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Conissah

Yeah it's a PIG. But I don't think we will ever see any lightweight cars any more, for the average consumer, that aren't bare bones econoboxes or just momentum cars (GT86 / Miata). Sure, you can go buy an expensive sports car, a GT3 for example, that weighs 3100 lbs, but those are unattainable for most folks, myself included.

Emissions are adding a TON of weight to new vehicles, and it'll only get worse. Crash safety standards are demanding safer and safer cars, which in turn adds more weight, and as consumers, we aren't really willing to sacrifice on any niceties to drop said weight. Everyone already complains that the M2 has a subpar interior, but imagine the extra weight if it were all leather and plush materials and alcantara with extra sound deadening and what not.

I actually let that 'talking point' about the M2 interior steer me away the first time I was considering getting one. It ended up saving me money though, because they had depreciated a bit by the time I finally came around to getting one, lol.

Some food for thought - my 987.2 boxster, which was my last track car, weighed in at 2980 lbs before I pulled anything out (I have a pic of the corner weights somewhere). The cayman, I believe, is similar. So sub-3200lb cars aren't as unattainable as you might think.

The GT86 weighs about 2800lbs. You wanna talk about a sparse interior, haha! I test drove a newer one, though, and it was much nicer inside.

[AlpsRider]

This is a Car and Driver M2/M2C weight difference breakdown which is kind of more theoretical.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1566186

This is a guy that weighed his own M2 and M2C configured the same way which is information that's straight from the horses mouth. The M2C weighs about 110 lbs. more. The 788M wheels on the M2C weigh about 17 lbs. more than the 437M wheels on the M2. That brings the weight difference down to around 93 lbs. If all the extra cooling mods etc are taken into consideration, I think it was 93 lbs. well spent.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1529257

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Huh? M2C tires and wheels are same size & spec as OG M2 , if they managed to make the wheels heavier that's what the kids call a "Fail"

I didn't see if the car in the video has 2NH brakes...that's an option, not standard, right?

BMW does like to make heavier wheels for Comp cars.

I see you have a e93 M3 w/Competition package. The BMW 359M wheels (yes they are a 1/2" wider) are a lot heavier than the non comp package 220M wheels.

[whoop_ass]

Had mine on the scales before I added new wheel and suspension exhaust etc.

Euro spec car with no OPF and with optional 2NH big brake.
7speed DCT with 3/4 tank

1636kg is 3599.2 lbs

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

BMW does like to make heavier wheels for Comp cars.

I see you have a e93 M3 w/Competition package. The BMW 359M wheels (yes they are a 1/2" wider) are a lot heavier than the non comp package 220M wheels.

The 220M are forged wheels also versus cast 359M. On my E90 M3 I ended up going with Apex 9.5"/10.5" which as another 1/2" wider than the 359M and weigh less than the 220Ms even by about 1.5lbs/wheel.

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

This is a Car and Driver M2/M2C weight difference breakdown which is kind of more theoretical.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1566186

This is a guy that weighed his own M2 and M2C configured the same way which is information that's straight from the horses mouth. The M2C weighs about 110 lbs. more. The 788M wheels on the M2C weigh about 17 lbs. more than the 437M wheels on the M2. That brings the weight difference down to around 93 lbs. If all the extra cooling mods etc are taken into consideration, I think it was 93 lbs. well spent.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1529257

That's a great comparison with both cars having full fuel tanks...rarely do we see full tank measured weights on the forums, and hence it's always a guessing game comparing to other cars. Like the post up above claiming an M2 weighs 3390lbs...no way a fully stock, full tank, OG M2, even 6MT slicktop, can come close to that weight as shown by the owner of both of them in that link. Hence one more reason weight comparisons are often misleading unless they are well documented and performed without bias.

Figure roughly 12 gallons for near empty vs full tanks, and at ~6.1 lbs/gallon that's about 70lbs. Hence without measuring car weight without the tank full, the error can range from small up to ~70lbs.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

The 220M are forged wheels also versus cast 359M. On my E90 M3 I ended up going with Apex 9.5"/10.5" which as another 1/2" wider than the 359M and weigh less than the 220Ms even by about 1.5lbs/wheel.



That's a great comparison with both cars having full fuel tanks...rarely do we see full tank measured weights on the forums, and hence it's always a guessing game comparing to other cars. Like the post up above claiming an M2 weighs 3390lbs...no way a fully stock, full tank, OG M2, even 6MT slicktop, can come close to that weight as shown by the owner of both of them in that link. Hence one more reason weight comparisons are often misleading unless they are well documented and performed without bias.

Figure roughly 12 gallons for near empty vs full tanks, and at ~6.1 lbs/gallon that's about 70lbs. Hence without measuring car weight without the tank full, the error can range from small up to ~70lbs.

Dont know what to tell you bud. I’ve checked my car on two different scales with the gas light on and verified the 3390 number.

Unless I missed it in the video they did not state whether gas was topped off, I assumed it wasn’t full.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Dont know what to tell you bud. I’ve checked my car on two different scales with the gas light on and verified the 3390 number.

Unless I missed it in the video they did not state whether gas was topped off, I assumed it wasn’t full.

I was referring to the referenced thread above where two identical stock configuration M2s were weighed each with a full tank and on the same scale; both generated expected values and the expected real difference in weight. If we subtract the full fuel load of 16 gallons that gives about 98lbs off 3455lbs for the OG M2 6MT slicktop or 3357lbs. Comparing that weight to anything other than the same fuel load in an M2C isn't valid. The M2C with same fuel load would be 3467lbs.