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Nice time for the M2. Very competitive on the track for sure... can't wait to get mine out this summer.
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'HP sell cars, torque wins races' wasn't that the quote? Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 03-21-2016 at 08:10 AM.. Reason: typo:( |
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For everyone freaking out over the comparison to the C6 Z06 time of 1:40.9, there are a couple of things to keep in mind:
1) That test was in 2007, which is 9 years ago. Tire technology has come quite a ways in 9 years. 2) Pobst wasn't driving for MT back then; it was Max Angelelli. I'm not saying Angelelli is an inferior driver, but Pobst has waaaaaay more street car experience at Laguna Seca at this point, so I'd expect the combination of more advanced tires and street car experience at the circuit to result in some advantage. 3) If you read the driver notes from the 2007 C6 Z06 test at MotorTrend.com, you'll see that Angelelli had plenty of feedback on why the timing was off pace with the 997 GT3, which put down a 1:39.5 in the same test. Oh how times change! The current 991 GT3 RS laps LS in 1:33.29. Quote:
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A lap time of 1:40.88 is 100.88 seconds. If we look at current gen cars that are within 2% (+/- 2 seconds) of this time, we're looking at cars like:
1:39.30 - Porsche Carrera S (991) [2012] 1:39.69 - BMW M4 (F82) [2014] 1:40.45 - Nissan GTR [2010] 1:40.50 - Mercedes-Benz C63 S [2015] 1:40.52 - BMW M6 (F13) [2013] 1:40.88 - BMW M2 1:40.81 - Jaguar F-Type V8 S [2013] 1:41.26 - Porsche Cayman S (981) [2013] 1:42.49 - Lotus Evora S [2011] All times sourced from FastestLaps.com. As you can see, the M2 is right on the heels of some serious metal.
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Lot of guys underestimating the effect of an extra passenger. At Mid Ohio (2min course) it's worth about 1.5-2 seconds. So here it would be at least a solid second, probably more.
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that's a darn close result there!
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It's best to take results as they are until we have test results under the desired conditions.
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About two weeks ago. See this thread.
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Just some explanations for all the Americans here. (That might be a bit „uniformed“ (or ignorant) regarding the drivers):
Martin Tomczyk (1:40:88): 14 years of DTM experience, DTM champion 2011, 7 victories, 7 pole positions, ADAC motorsport men of the year 2011, did one mistake during the lap according to his comments The 2 „grip guys“ are Johannes and Ferdinand Stuck, both are sons of the famous and beloved Hans-Joachim „Strietzel“ Stuck . I'm sure also the Americans now „Strietzel“. Besides driving 5 years Formula 1, being 2-times Le Mans champion, 3-times Sebring champion and also DTM champion he is one of the most likeable racers ever (imho). The „grip“ lap was done by Johannes Stuck (1:42:10): driven several brand trophy series, german gt masters (one time winner), vln endurance championship, … So I expected Johannes being slower than Tomcyzk. Being 1.3 seconds slower is a huge difference for a professional – but being 1.3 seconds slower than Martin Tomczyk was o.k. for him. I wouldn’t expect Randy Probst going faster than Marting Tomczyk (of course same conditions and correct timing assumed). |
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good info! I would have expected a darn fine driver to be that close to the DTM pro. I'd probably be 15 seconds off his pace, haha.
pobst is a beast and has lots of experience at the track and in new cars bc of his gig with motor trend. I guess we'll just have to wait and see .. I don't think I'd be surprised either way .. pretty sure lieberman would be slower than either of them though
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Faster than the 981 CS.
That's pretty awesome = this car seems to be a little beast.
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So far what I've not seen is how this car handles four or five laps into a session or at hotter tracks (Thunderhill/Buttonwillow/etc. in Summer). Does the engine get heat soaked after a few laps? Not that it's a deal breaker, but if the car can only put down these times on the first or second lap of a session, and only in March, it's worth knowing.
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I'll believe the numbers when they use a proper timing mechanism. Cell phone GPS is pure garbage. He could literally be off by 2+ seconds on that claim.
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About the laptimer: Why should BMW and Porsche use that stuff then if it's far off? Please explain... Cheers Robin |
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m2 will be likely match to the Cayman S or GTS |
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