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BMW, PROVE YOU'RE LISTENING You're offering as standard for NA cars the driver/pedestrian safety equipment. Whatever your reason is for making these options standard, at least give us the ability to delete them when configuring the car. We check one box that waives all the driver/pedestrian safety stuff and you reduce your production costs while making customers happy. Anyone that still want's those features doesn't need to select the delete option. Win win. Do it! |
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I am starting to have serious doubts it's my best foot forward selling it, forking out another $35k to get get a M2C, if it weighs 400 lbs more. I really don't think it is possible to shed as much weight off of it, with the same parameters. Quote:
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My thinking also. I really rather have a Porsche at this point as well, but the M2 is just more practical. Maybe a used standard M2 and slapping some of those CF parts on would be the ticket after all. I just don't see how the weight could have gone up 150 lbs? Not if the weight distribution stayed virtually the same. If it was because of the S55 and/or the cooling, then it should be more front heavy. |
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05-20-2018, 10:41 AM | #136 |
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I think the low hanging fruit to reduce weight are no sunroof (and save $1000 to boot), MT (and save $3000), and a lightweight exhaust (funded by the savings from the previous two options).
If the MPerf. Exhaust costs more than $4k, they won't sell many. AA will sell a ton of their signature exhausts though ($3k with intermixing midpipe, I think).
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But there's no way the S55 does NOT weigh more than the N55.
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05-20-2018, 10:45 AM | #138 |
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Even if it just reduces weight by 10lbs it's worth getting rid of it. Personally I find it all annoying and will disable it anyway, so why not lose it altogether? I know I'm not alone in this, most here don't want the safety fluff either.
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05-20-2018, 11:01 AM | #139 |
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The sunroof is not included in the official weight of the M2C, because it is an option. The 6MT is included, because it is standard. So, you haven't saved anything from the 150 lb. increase, unless you buy a car with the sunroof and the DCT and then remove them.
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While I would not choose an RS3 over M2, it highlights how little emphasis BMW has on keeping the M2 light despite their marketing BS.
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05-20-2018, 11:14 AM | #141 | |
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A good many of the people worries about weight here were/are probably planning DCT, and therefore looking at the DCT weight column in the spec sheet. So, if that's what you are looking at to start as your baseline, you can shave some weight by going MT. But technically yes, you are correct.
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BMW artificially makes their cars heavier in the rear. I'm sure you can loose a few things out of the trunk, get lighter battery and muffler and as a result come in lighter than the RS3, but there goes the 50/50 weight thing they like to advertise. Then again 52/48 and less weight might still be better. |
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05-20-2018, 11:59 AM | #145 | |
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That being said, I really do not get the standard electric seats. That is one piece of low hanging fruit that actually saves on the price point. |
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I’m going to easily identify the people part of this weight reduction group.
Why not consider lighter seats, lighter full tbe exhaust, lighter bumper beams (oem or aftermarket spec). Remove your emergency floor jack and kit - rather remove that than to spend $1300 on a battery (I’m sure there are better cost effective battery options) |
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No, the legally requied US figures must be for the car must include any option expected to be in 33% or more of vehicles sold. In addition, the car must be full capacity for fuel, oil, and coolant.
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If BMW expects 33% or more M2C to be sold with sunroofs, then it must be included in the official US weight specification.
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I came up with this thread (US Curb and EU Kerb weights, an attempt at clarifying the differences.) recently and was surprised to see the following statements:
"Weight of car with fluids and fuel at 100% as well as weight of any option expected to be in more than 33% of vehicles sold." "According to US legislation curb weight shall include options that is expected to be installed in at least 33% of vehicles sold." Then I did little more research and confirmed it is indeed true. Here are my sources: - https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/86.1832-01 - Another CFR through Google Books I don't know if I remember this correctly and I might very well be wrong but AFAIK, it wasn't possible to order a 2016 M2 in the US with the sunroof. Therefore, my thinking is that it was never factored into the US curb weight. Even if BMW might have updated the US curb weight of M2 in their legal documents after they offered the sunroof as an option, they never changed weight figures on their website. Anyways, long story short, I think there is a chance that the US curb weight of M2C might include the sunroof as well and apples-to-apples weight comparison between M2 and M2C might as well be around ~100lbs according to the curb weight calculation in US legislation. Again, this is all based on my assumption that sunroof was not a standard or optional equipment on the first model year (2016) of the M2 in the US Edit: I just verified thru old forum posts that moonroof was not offered in 2016 M2 in the US either as standard or optional equipment. This just confirms that the US curb weight of the original M2 doesn't account for the moonroof for sure and there is a good chance M2C curb weight factors in the moonroof (hence the real weight difference between two models might be indeed around 100lbs). Last edited by M-Pilot; 05-20-2018 at 02:07 PM.. |
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Boss330 exhaustively covered weight comparisons between EU and USA years ago in the F80 section.
One example that hits close to home, is the E90 M3. The USA weight specified was required to be shown with sunroof and DCT, which added together equal almost 100lbs compared to a 6MT slicktop.
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