02-01-2017, 07:02 AM | #837 |
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Swedish tuner claims 420 PS out of completely stock M2 and 450 PS with turbo back exhaust, sport filter and upgraded intercooler. On the crank, not the wheels. Of course.
420 PS = 414 bhp. 450 PS = 444 bhp. I don't exactly know how that translates into whp but I guess it's slightly over 400 at least. http://www.stertman.se/mjukvara/3476...-mjukvara.html |
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It's 420 whp stock. Very under rated. Very documented. Again, an OTS Dinan tune and a DP on an M2 isn't getting you anywhere near that. On pump gas anyway. Custom tunes and DPs have been showing near the 380-400 whp mark. Which is great, but not the Dinan tuner the poster is mentioning. It takes Dinan a larger turbo to hit, say, 430, per their own offerings. Which STILL isn't actual S55 power. Custom tunes, ethanol blends, DP...there's been talk that 450whp may be obtainable with the N55. But that is not even close to what you're getting from a Dinan tuner and a DP on pump gas. Some people in here are completely talking out of their asses and relying on random high-reading dyno runs. It is well-established what the stock turbo on this motor can do. Here are some of the highest numbers so far. DP and a CUSTOM TUNE. 380 whp on 93. http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1254022 RPMs DP and Dinan tuner would be lucky to see 360 whp. Only about 60 whp down on what an S55 is making.
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Or the M3/M4 friend is either an indulgent nice dude who just topped up his fuel tank and wants to give his M2 friend by all means a better feeling, or he's less skilled to shift his M3/M4 than his M2 friend.
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02-01-2017, 08:38 AM | #841 |
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After 40 pages of this are people still comparing the s55 to the n55? Don't get it . Thought this debate was over 6 months ago?
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Here's a dyno with Dinan sport tuner only, approx. 365. I'm adding a Fabspeed DP next week and am hoping to top 380. Not bad but still 30 WHP short of the M4 that Fabspeed dyno'd (410 whp).
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Personally I'm fine with the 365bhp it makes stock. I find it to be adequate but it's still nice to know that if I grow tired of stock power I can easily get more out of it. |
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Hence, no dramatic hp increase is required to bump the M2 to 400 hp (metric) (294 kW or 394 hp (mech)) for a special version (ZCP, CS, Whatever), officially quoting 385 hp (metric) or so. However, there's a catch. BMW M already pushed the envelope of the N55 engine for the base M2. The margin that's left for a power bump is rather tight. Also DINAN came to that conclusion after testing the base M2 (see here) ("These specific parameters allow the car to safely extract as much power as possible out of the engine. On the M2 this task is especially daunting given how close to the edge of its capability the N55 and its turbo are tuned from the factory. BMW did not leave a lot on the table to work with in terms of additional power output as the turbos are taxed heavily out of the gate. In fact, in its stock configuration, the M2 is nearly the equivalent of a Dinan stage 3 tuned M235i (the stage just short of the big turbo and associated tuning).").
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Just the dinan sport tune makes 370 to the wheels dyno verified. Before and after making some 35 extra to the wheels at the top, its all there. With my DP it made a very significant difference and now I pull on my buddies m3 no problem. Whatever you want to believe, but im having mucho fun and the things a rocket. Keep bashing what is a honest conversation. Intercooler next and we will see 400whp mark my words....... $2700 total. And yes I am very aware M3's make some 410whp and similar torque figures. The M2 with a sport tuner makes as much torque, lets see what happens with the DP installed in conjunction. |
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Someone with the big turbo setup just dyno'd their car and the numbers were not great. I see no reason to go to a bigger turbo and risk lag and spend a lot for it. We will see dynos of a car with a DP and a simple sport tuner and my guess is 385+WHP and 425wtrq. It is what it is and not sure why some people without the car even chime in. |
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How the hell are the last few pages related to 'BMW M2 CS coming with 400 HP S55 engine, in 2018' ??
This is ridiculous. Why is this not discussed on a separate thread(s). |
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Yes, it completely derailed but the thread is so popular that the mods wouldn't dream of shutting it down. It's a juggernaut at this point, completely immune to off-topic banter.
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Every day I'm reading that the N55 fitted in the M2 has its limit also given by the same turbocharger we find in the "normal" N55.
But why the turbo charger of the M2 has a different serial number as spare part? Generic N55 turbo charger: https://www.leebmann24.de/turbolader...657643115.html M2 turbo charger: https://www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatz...ct=11658053153 Same price doesn't mean that they have the same size B58 turbo charger (cheaper but notoriously bigger than the N55 one): https://www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatz...ct=11658637041 |
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It does go to show that most people don't care about these things unfortunately.
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"Quote: Originally Posted by Vapeconj View Post Anyone know why?? @PureTurbo ? Anyone else have some insight as to maybe why?? Is it just an ///M tax? The reason for this is very simple. The M2 turbofold is slightly different from the regular 235 turbofold. And M2 spare turbofolds are not easily available on the used market. So new turbofolds are being bought from bmw to modify them into pure st2 units. And bmw charges big money for them. Pure is just passing on the cost of that to the customer that decides to keep their stock turbofold. So if you want to keep your stock turbo just go and look for a used or cheap new turbofold that you can buy and set that one to Pure. But you wont find many so probably end up buying a new one from bmw and will pay the same. Hope that explains." |
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But you've just put your foot in your mouth (again). Let me walk you through it... You admitted above that the S55 puts down at least 410 whp stock: Quote:
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You attempt to insult me in your posts for telling you you're wrong, and then chime back in and completely prove my only point? Seriously kid...I think you need to read posts before you hit the reply button.
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But as you said, 30 whp short of the S55. So again, RPM was undeniably talking out of this ass earlier in the thread, as usual. Now I'll await him chiming in to again claim that because I don't (yet) own an M2, he's somehow entitled to make up dyno numbers, while I'm not allowed to correct him over it. I think he wants another TO.
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I dont have time for your BS internet tough guy crap. Yes 380hp to the wheels at least, and im pushing 420wtrq to. I rip my buddies M3 without issues. I dont know why that bothers you so much that you need to write me a personal message about it????? And call me a liar, that I talk outta my ass? I drive his car or mine every day. Do you have an M2 and M3 at your disposal daily? Didnt think so. PUHLEEEEZE go back to your safe space buddy and let a real discussion happen between actual owners...... Your the only guy super defensive about a car you dont even own. I just dont get it. |
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