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BMW M2 CSL, All M performance Carbon body parts by default. Optional CCB, i wonder about the interior though. Back Seat delete. Recaro' s in the front. Etc...
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Also remember we are in the 70s then; so chrome fender flares didn't seem as crazy particularly after the dramatically overstyled 50s. The race car you posted had much wider fenders... See below for the 2 varying aesthetics of the road going E9 CSL
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It's pretty well-documented from all the witnesses and commentary from that era that the E9 CSL became known in popular automotive culture as the "Batmobile" due to its aero. Ostentatious aero on a CSL would only be considered sacrilege if you confine the definition of "CSL" to the E46 only, but that perspective is sacrilege in itself because the CSL badge has much deeper origins, as a race car and BMW Motorsport GmbH's first model. So while you could say overall that most E9 CSLs were not sold with the aerodynamic wings, my point here is that big wings are neither foreign nor contradictory to the CSL moniker. Should the [future] M2 CSL necessitate more aerodynamic bodywork, it would be a welcome feature and I wouldn't find it to be disrespectful or not in-line with CSL lineage (in terms of appearance).
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The street cars (barring a few racing clones) looked very different. They even had a "city pack" option to make them more luxurious. The homologation cars used the same engine and overall technology but didn't match the race cars exactly (cosmetically) in terms of aero and body styling accessories. The M2 situation is different anyways because there's no direct M2 race car the street car is being based on...
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More of an analog experience, which can be good or bad, depending on your point of view. Would have been cool in 2011 when i originally wanted one, but no lust from me to get one now. If you want a true analog experience, you have to go back further than that.
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I said the same thing in a different thread - there's no way the M2 is getting the S58 before the M3/4.
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Even internally within BMW; the opinion is that the 1M is still unmatched....
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Let's agree the M2 is a wonderful sports coupe....however, from a raw engagement driving experience, where you want to be connected to your car.....it doesn't even come close when compared to the 1M. The 1M has soul |
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The 1M has a face only a mother could love...which is fine, beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure. But the styling was definitely part of me passing on the 1M, and contributed to my comment in regard to "dated". I also had two 135s in my past, so the interior wasn't that exciting either. From the driving perspective, I had an extended test drive before I purchased my 981 CS, and I found the 1M to be twitchy (jumpy maybe?) and unforgiving in the throttle application department, at least compared to the Porsche. I had a tuned N54 in my first 135 and was surprised at how the 1M that I drove felt. Overall, the 981 just went around the corner in a predictable manner, while you sort of had to wrestle the 1M around the corner (which is obviously good fun). I was also coming out of a 235 that I was very disappointed with, and it had a MT - so the MT only 1M wasn't appealing to me from that perspective either. I found the PDK to be the best gearbox I have ever had the pleasure of owning - it was great. Along those lines, the 981 remains the best car I've ever driven, and by a long way. it's just not ideally suited to be someone's only car - hence why M cars are so attractive. They have more utility and "bang for the buck", which is why I am interested in the M2/C/CS.
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I'm glad BMW made it, or we wouldn't have the M2 or M2C.
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It's not misrepresentative as I'm speaking purely about aero (specifically rear spoilers) in relation to the CSL's history. Racing: Street:
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"Why is the later 3.0 CSL sometimes referred to as the "Batmobile"?The removable "racing kit":
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Yeah, I don't worry to much about the 1M vs M2 look....they are both cool in there own way. I tend to like the older BMW's and so I feel the 1M captures the history and character without so many hard lines and angles that the M2 has. Personal preference I guess With respect to twitchy and jumpy....well, yeah....you need to know how to drive and reign her in....she's kinda a wild child in that respect. That is the rawness and truth of the car! Its what makes it special and engaging in my opinion. Less is more in my opinion and that's the sweet spot the 1M sits in. Look at reviews and you will find that is the common element. There is a reason why they are selling for more now then when they were new....mileage, condition into consideration please. |
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whatever it is, make it! might not get but still want to see it!
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All due respect to the 1M, the reason they are selling for more now then when they were new has much less to do with how awesome they may be and much more to do with the current financial system. Asset prices have become inflated, from cars to real estate to equities, beyond all historical norms and have disconnected from any reasonable expectation for future earnings. Too much cash is chasing too few avenues for return and it's all blown out. Enjoy it while it lasts...it won't.
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