[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Alumac

If you're going to miss the M button, you can always go with the original M button.-

Hahaha

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I'm very happy with my M235i but I'm still keeping the M2 on a short list for when my lease is up in 2018. However, the advantages of the M2 over 235i seem to be dwindling for those of us planning street driving with little to no track use.

Pros vs 235i:
Transmissions
Throttle response
Handling when driving aggressively
M-Diff
Power
Exterior looks
Sound (maybe?)
More exclusive, prestige

Cons vs 235i:
Cost
Road noise (?)
No M button or custom settings
Limited interior and exterior color choices
M car on the cheap
Power can be matched with tunes easily
It will get me in trouble on the street

Hmmm... I still like it though.

You conveniently forgot the M3/M4 suspension under your "Pros" list. Point blank, it is an M car, and as such is "better" sports wise than the M235i/M240i.

What seems to happen is this whole "justification" of getting or not getting the M car, especially with the "tune" topic, which really started with the e9X N54 cars vs the M3. People were talking about the Vishnu tunes, and how you had more torque and hp than the M3. And what was the justification of getting an M3 if you could just get a tune. But, at the end of the day, it is not an M3. And with the M235i/M240i, no matter the tune, it is not an M2.

[chambolle]

Originally Posted by Spook410

Ripped out sound deadening material to reduce weight? Haven't seen a lot in the way of weight reduction and now I'm wondering how noisy this thing will be.

I will lay odds on this... It will be an order of magnitude quieter in the M2 cabin than my E36 M3 coupe with Dinan cold air intake, exhaust, stage 2 suspension and urethane trans and shock mounts. Like floating in clouds of quiet by comparison.

Besides, what's with this fear of noise? Do you wanna hear the engine, exhaust and the rubber on the road or not? You want quiet, lemme show ya this here Lincoln Navigator... Just like a rolling Barcalounger, my friend.

[chambolle]

Originally Posted by Steveo

It's an M car but no M buttons?! WTF!

This should have been the 2M not a M car.

WTF is an 'M button' anyway? I drive an M car, and I've never seen an 'M button' on it anywhere. Never even heard of the damned thing. Sounds like the overdrive switch on an orgone box.

[Aust350z]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

Not really. To me this car is the "1M, part 2" so the comparison is really a crucial part of the evaluation of the M2. It's funny to me how people are trying to separate the M2 from the 1M but in reality this is an attempt to recreate the 1M.

I think the M2 is just about the only car in the BMW lineup worth considering so i appreciate it; but i'm wondering HOW the M2 is selling for cheaper than the 1M in the australian market and what costcutting BMW have done to keep the price down here.

I don't need to find 1M advantages....there are already many :P

For the Australian market - 1M was limited production driving verses mass produced M2.

Further, the M2 needs to remain competitive price to the competition which is up to $20k cheaper.

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I'm very happy with my M235i but I'm still keeping the M2 on a short list for when my lease is up in 2018. However, the advantages of the M2 over 235i seem to be dwindling for those of us planning street driving with little to no track use.

Pros vs 235i:
Transmissions
Throttle response
Handling when driving aggressively
M-Diff
Power
Exterior looks
Sound (maybe?)
More exclusive, prestige

Cons vs 235i:
Cost
Road noise (?)
No M button or custom settings
Limited interior and exterior color choices
M car on the cheap
Power can be matched with tunes easily
It will get me in trouble on the street

Hmmm... I still like it though.

That Con list is the most incredible nonsense I've ever read. With the exception of limited in/exterior options, not one of those things is a credible Con vs the 235. You can't say the cost of of a higher end car is a con against it. You have no idea about road noise. The 235 doesn't have M buttons either. What the hell is an "M car on the cheap?" Can't compare a tuned car to a stock car, and a tuned 235 the M2 is not. Trouble on the street, really???

Stop trying so hard to convince yourself. The M2 is everything the 235 is and more, for what appears to be a marginal price increase.

[PrematureApex]

I thought it was all but confirmed this car was getting a water cooled IC setup.

Guess not. Darn.

[Transfer]

Nobody reads posts anymore. I'm talking strictly for those of us who won't track our cars, the M2 has very few things going for it compared to M235i. The M2 will be the better performance car by far, even compared to a tuned 235i, but it offers very little to get excited about unless taking it to the track.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Nobody reads posts anymore. I'm talking strictly for those of us who won't track our cars, the M2 has very few things going for it compared to M235i. The M2 will be the better performance car by far, even compared to a tuned 235i, but it offers very little to get excited about unless taking it to the track.

I mean, if you drive in boring traffic everyday with no fun roads nearby for some spirited driving, then yes that is probably true. You'd be better off with something more upscale and loaded out like a 3 series or MB.

This is a pure drivers car so if you don't plan on driving it like that there's really no point in considering it. I'll probably take it to VIR on a limited basis, but even if I didn't it wouldn't be a factor in my decision.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Nobody reads posts anymore. I'm talking strictly for those of us who won't track our cars, the M2 has very few things going for it compared to M235i. The M2 will be the better performance car by far, even compared to a tuned 235i, but it offers very little to get excited about unless taking it to the track.

Agree with the other person, you are totally reaching here. The only realistic con is cost , and perhaps color choice , but only if , for example, you want Melbourne red or Estoril blue.

Every M car is superior to the underlying model, that goes without saying. Whether or not you want, or more importantly, can afford that superiority is the only question. And it's not just track fans that can appreciate the difference.


You overlooked one of the The biggest reason to purchase an M car over the underlying models and that is resale value.

No matter how much you can modify the lower model to be quicker, better, faster, the M car is still the better overall value in the end.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Ditto.

I think it could be good - perhaps it's a way to get the driver back in touch with what's really going on under the hood.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Agree with the other person, you are totally reaching here. The only realistic con is cost , and perhaps color choice , but only if , for example, you want Melbourne red or Estoril blue.

Every M car is superior to the underlying model, that goes without saying. Whether or not you want, or more importantly, can afford that superiority is the only question. And it's not just track fans that can appreciate the difference.


You overlooked one of the The biggest reason to purchase an M car over the underlying models and that is resale value.

No matter how much you can modify the lower model to be quicker, better, faster, the M car is still the better overall value in the end.

Agreed - the con list isn't objective at all.

The 235 could be modified to the moon and back and I would still take the M2 over it - why? Well because it has been developed into a complete package by M engineers. Thousands of hours of tweaking and testing and driving - in different conditions and climates. You think K&N and BMS and whoever else you slap on the 235 has done .00001% of the planning and testing that the engineers @ M have done? You think Terry is flying to the Ring or to the Sahara desert or to the frozen tundra of Norway and testing his JB4 on the M2 there?

Of course not. The M cars always start from a better place and I would take one bone stock over a super modified 235 any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Those who don't think there's going to be a big difference are either:

A.) delusional and trying to justify 235 purchase, or;
B.) haven't driven an M car extensively, especially the F8X vehicles.

The differences will be very apparent.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Makman

I dont understand this following part, can some1 pls explain?

"The M2 should be more stable at the limit than the 1M. This was due to them not having enough time to calibrate based on using a turbo motor."

thanks!

basically....the 1M behaves like a raw animal a lot of the time...i drive mine 120 miles a day so i definitely KNOW all the its reactions. I wouldn't call it 'unstable' but i would call it a car you have to LEARN how to drive rather than just get in and gun it. My guess is they have refined the M2 much more, made it less of a wild lunatic and more like a properly engineered sports car.......which is a negative for some people and a positive for others; a matter of taste.

Personally...the wildness of the 1M is exactly why i love it so much. The only other BMW i've driven that feels so 'alive' is the Z4M Coupe which also has that sort of 'psychotic' behaviour! lol

[Gtrain]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

basically....the 1M behaves like a raw animal a lot of the time...i drive mine 120 miles a day so i definitely KNOW all the its reactions. I wouldn't call it 'unstable' but i would call it a car you have to LEARN how to drive rather than just get in and gun it. My guess is they have refined the M2 much more, made it less of a wild lunatic and more like a properly engineered sports car.......which is a negative for some people and a positive for others; a matter of taste.

Personally...the wildness of the 1M is exactly why i love it so much. The only other BMW i've driven that feels so 'alive' is the Z4M Coupe which also has that sort of 'psychotic' behaviour! lol

Agreed. As mentioned I think the 1M is less forgiving and it will let you make mistakes, I believe that the M2 will be more stable in the sense that it is more forgiving and will correct your mistakes.

[MR.]

Lovely story in this topic Really nice read

MR

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

The last one sucks, I don't want to be forced to drive without DSC to get the fastest gear shifts.

DSC setting seems to be independent from the the DDC setting as it has its own button

[MadViper]

Enjoy,
Here is the full article
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1206609

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

DSC setting seems to be independent from the the DDC setting as it has its own button

The quickest gear shifts are only available in Sport+ by default, and that means M Dynamic Mode and "no" DSC.

It says in the manual that the SPORT mode is adjustable so hopefully we can set the speed of the shifts there.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

The quickest gear shifts are only available in Sport+ by default, and that means M Dynamic Mode and "no" DSC.

It says in the manual that the SPORT mode is adjustable so hopefully we can set the speed of the shifts there.

Well there is a contradiction in your post: MDM is just a more permissive mode of DSC, so technically MDM still has Dynamic Stability Control.

Also, where does it say Sport+ automatically implies MDM ? I see a separate DSC button from the DDC buttons (see picture I posted previously).

Further, if the DCT shift logic is anything like in the M3/4, it is pretty useless having the most aggressive shifts with full DSC combined together. So it is a moot discussion .

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Well there is a contradiction in your post: MDM is just a more permissive mode of DSC, so technically MDM still has Dynamic Stability Control.

Further, where does it say Sport+ automatically implies MDM ? I see a separate DSC button from the DDC buttons (see picture I posted previously).

Says it in the M2 Manual.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Well there is a contradiction in your post: MDM is just a more permissive mode of DSC, so technically MDM still has Dynamic Stability Control.

Also, where does it say Sport+ automatically implies MDM ? I see a separate DSC button from the DDC buttons (see picture I posted previously).

Further, if the DCT shift logic is anything like in the M3/4, it is pretty useless having the most aggressive shifts with full DSC combined together. So it is a moot discussion .

No contradiction as I know what MDM is. That is why I put "no" in quotation marks.
But I still would like to be able to run the most aggressive shifts without turning down the DSC.

I just prefer the feeling of the aggressive shifts, even with full DSC.

[Cope]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

No contradiction as I know what MDM is. That is why I put "no" in quotation marks.
But I still would like to be able to run the most aggressive shifts without turning down the DSC.

I just prefer the feeling of the aggressive shifts, even with full DSC.

I'm in the same boat but for different reasons, I would like to row my own gears and downshift using my own feet without having reduced tc settings. But only in sport+ is auto rev matching deactivated. What an asinine thing for bmw to do.