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      05-16-2021, 04:58 AM   #1
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245/35/19 + 265/35/19 - which tires of semi slicks have the best grip?

I thought of Pirelli Trofeo R but it looks like they are not available in OEM size.


Is there any other tire gripper than Cup2s in OEM size?
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Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R but supposedly they wear quickly...search on-line for users reviews. Also there is a review on the TireRack site in that link from an M2 owner if you scroll down the page.

In "TW 200", lol, specials the Falken RT600 and the Yokohama A052 will do the job vs Cup2. The A052 will require going one size up (255/275).

For TW200 (SCCA street tire class, other orgs that require TW>=200) competition GRM just tested the non-R version of the Goodyear Supercar 3 (i.e. the TW200 version) versus the RE-71R (discontinued) and the Cup2 Connect 240 using a McLaren 720S.

In the EU you may be getting the Bridgestone RE-71RS (TW200) successor to the RE-71R; here in the States Bridgestone has chosen not to market that tire here, so they're now out of the TW200 competition market for the first time in many years.
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Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R but supposedly they wear quickly...search on-line for users reviews. Also there is a review on the TireRack site in that link from an M2 owner if you scroll down the page.

In "TW 200", lol, specials the Falken RT600 and the Yokohama A052 will do the job vs Cup2. The A052 will require going one size up (255/275).

For TW200 (SCCA street tire class, other orgs that require TW>=200) competition GRM just tested the non-R version of the Goodyear Supercar 3 (i.e. the TW200 version) versus the RE-71R (discontinued) and the Cup2 Connect 240 using a McLaren 720S.

In the EU you may be getting the Bridgestone RE-71RS (TW200) successor to the RE-71R; here in the States Bridgestone has chosen not to market that tire here, so they're now out of the TW200 competition market for the first time in many years.


Thank you so much!

2 questions:

is Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R providing better lap times than Michelin CUP2?
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Thank you so much!

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is Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R providing better lap times than Michelin CUP2?
I'm sure they would given that the non-R version matches Cup2 times in that GRM test.
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I ran the stock cup 2s this weekend on the cs and
They were good but Iím looking for something wirh a little more grip as well. Probably going to go up two sizes when some wheels become available
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I thought of Pirelli Trofeo R but it looks like they are not available in OEM size.


Is there any other tire gripper than Cup2s in OEM size?
Difference wonít be much as Cup 2 in the dry is quite good, unless you go wider

I am guessing a bit of understeer here and there, plenty of oversteer on corner exit? Try 265/285 30 19 Cup 2 (Cup 2 Connect doesnít have 285/30, only 295/30) on stock rims first

In Europe there are not as many extreme performance tyre choice as in other parts of the world
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Another alternative is as CSBM5 mentioned...Yokohama Advan A052, it is gripper than Cup 2 and is available in the EU. 255/275 35 19 on stock rims is a good start
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I thought of Pirelli Trofeo R but it looks like they are not available in OEM size.


Is there any other tire gripper than Cup2s in OEM size?
Trofeo R's come in 265/30 & 295/30/19 & they quote fitment on 9 & 10inch rims, I'm thinking of these to replace my worn RE71RS track set
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Trofeo R's come in 265/30 & 295/30/19 & they quote fitment on 9 & 10inch rims, I'm thinking of these to replace my worn RE71RS track set
That is too wide and is below 100 treadwear rating.
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Another alternative is as CSBM5 mentioned...Yokohama Advan A052, it is gripper than Cup 2 and is available in the EU. 255/275 35 19 on stock rims is a good start
What will ensure better lap times?


Advan 052 @ 255+275/35/19

or

Cup2s @ 265+285/30/19
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What will ensure better lap times?


Advan 052 @ 255+275/35/19

or

Cup2s @ 265+285/30/19
Both will...A052 mostly from the superior compound, Cup2 (265/285) all from the extra width

Keep in mind that tyre compound is temperature dependent and will start to degrade after certain heat cycles where as tyre width will remain mostly the same through out its tread life and wider tyre is more resistant to temperature build up

Therefore in some circumstances, the A052 255/275 will be faster, in others it's either a draw or the Cup2 265/285 will be faster. If they are of the same size then obviously the A052 is superior

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Both will...A052 mostly from the superior compound, Cup2 (265/285) all from the extra width

Keep in mind that tyre compound is temperature dependent and will start to degrade after certain heat cycles where as tyre width will remain mostly the same through out its tread life and wider tyre is more resistant to temperature build up

Therefore in some circumstances, the A052 255/275 will be faster, in others it's either a draw or the Cup2 265/285 will be faster. If they are of the same size then obviously the A052 is superior


Thank you! Then I believe 255+275 A052 is the way to go.
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Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R but supposedly they wear quickly...search on-line for users reviews. Also there is a review on the TireRack site in that link from an M2 owner if you scroll down the page.

In "TW 200", lol, specials the Falken RT600 and the Yokohama A052 will do the job vs Cup2. The A052 will require going one size up (255/275).

For TW200 (SCCA street tire class, other orgs that require TW>=200) competition GRM just tested the non-R version of the Goodyear Supercar 3 (i.e. the TW200 version) versus the RE-71R (discontinued) and the Cup2 Connect 240 using a McLaren 720S.

In the EU you may be getting the Bridgestone RE-71RS (TW200) successor to the RE-71R; here in the States Bridgestone has chosen not to market that tire here, so they're now out of the TW200 competition market for the first time in many years.


Thank you so much!

2 questions:

is Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R providing better lap times than Michelin CUP2?
Yes the supercar 3R are faster than cup2

You best option for a 245-265 setup are

Nankang ar1
Goodyear eagle supercar 3R
Goodyear eagle supercar 3
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Yes the supercar 3R are faster than cup2

You best option for a 245-265 setup are

Nankang ar1
Goodyear eagle supercar 3R
Goodyear eagle supercar 3
I posted about the AR-1 but then deleted the post because I couldn't find them in stock sizes.
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Yes the supercar 3R are faster than cup2

You best option for a 245-265 setup are

Nankang ar1
Goodyear eagle supercar 3R
Goodyear eagle supercar 3
I posted about the AR-1 but then deleted the post because I couldn't find them in stock sizes.
Check phil tires service
They sell the ar1 in stock size

https://philstireservice.com/
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Check phil tires service
They sell the ar1 in stock size

https://philstireservice.com/
Dude, great site, thanks!
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Check phil tires service
They sell the ar1 in stock size

https://philstireservice.com/
Dude, great site, thanks!
It's a pleasure to share the good places
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Yes the supercar 3R are faster than cup2

You best option for a 245-265 setup are

Nankang ar1
Goodyear eagle supercar 3R
Goodyear eagle supercar 3
The idea is to move to 255+275 Advan A052 as the better option as I believe it will bring better grip.

I would even go for 265/30/10 + 295/30/19 to have even more grip but the 265/30/19 will most likely rub on the front if using OEM rims with no spacers.
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You asked for oem size options

The 255/275 a052 is a killer super sticky setup. From review they wear fast but i would give them a try too without hesitation
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I just orderd the A052 in the 255 275 for the cs . Keep you posted
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Nice, give us a review, I'll try them too for my next set
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I just orderd the A052 in the 255 275 for the cs . Keep you posted

Iíve ordered 3 sets of those.
They are delivered next week. Will report once tested.
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