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      10-23-2020, 11:09 AM   #1
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Track battle: 718 Cayman GT4 (PDK) - BMW M2 CS (M-DCT) - Lotus Exige 410 Sport (6MT)

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  • Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 (PDK): 1.54,6
  • BMW M2 CS (M-DCT): 1.55,6
  • Lotus Exige 410 Sport (6MT): 1.57,3
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Wow, just a second off the GT4. That's impressive in my mind! I've driven enough early GT4's that I thought it would kill the CS.
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100% not believing those numbers. They need a better driver.
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Nice video. Here are some lap times to compare:

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-gp

Too bad there is no comparison with M3/4 CS.
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100% not believing those numbers. They need a better driver.
Power gap certainly gives an advantage on Hockenheim. Just see M5 and M8 times...
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Power gap certainly gives an advantage on Hockenheim. Just see M5 and M8 times...
For sure, but PTWR. You also have to really know how to drive an Exige, it's not so easy to extract its potential, you need balls because it's a carry-speed car.
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      10-23-2020, 12:36 PM   #7
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I also think, if they're in that company, they could have used the Exige 430 Cup.

And to really get down to business they cars should wear the same tires IMO.
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I also think, if they're in that company, they could have used the Exige 430 Cup.

And to really get down to business they cars should wear the same tires IMO.
Agree for the 430 Cup but all cars were on Cup2 in this test.
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Agree for the 430 Cup but all cars were on Cup2 in this test.
Ah, sorry, most of the Cup 410's wear Pirelli's. I think they've switched it in production a few times as well.
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BMW M2 CS vs. Exige 410 Sport vs. Cayman GT4 @ Hockenheim



Pretty fair and close comparison of some of the best modern lightweight track options out there I think.

Curious as to your thoughts?
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Not too shabby for a four-seater coupé.
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Good thing is that for once cars have same tires and are driven by the same guy (the same day?). Still the Lotus has a 6MT which is not an advantage for this battle against DCT/PDK cars.
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Good thing is that for once cars have same tires and are driven by the same guy (the same day?). Still the Lotus has a 6MT which is not an advantage for this battle against DCT/PDK cars.
speaks how to how well the lotus performs with a trans speed disadvantage
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Not too shabby for a four-seater coupé.
its straight up impressive for a car that you can do these numbers at Hockenheim, then pick up a months worth of groceries and your kid from daycare right after. I think if the M2CS lost the two rear seats it would handily win this race.

Will be curious to see what G87 M2CS can do with the S58 .

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100% not believing those numbers. They need a better driver.
Wish I could disagree!
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Not too shabby for a four-seater coupé.
its straight up impressive for a car that you can do these numbers at Hockenheim, then pick up a months worth of groceries and your kid from daycare right after. I think if the M2CS lost the two rear seats it would handily win this race.

Will be curious to see what G87 M2CS can do with the S58 .
I think you may be underestimating what a full second means at that track.
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100% not believing those numbers. They need a better driver.
FIY their driver is also a racing driver «at night». He has competed in the Nurburgring 24h race several times and this year drove a BMW M2 Racing.

At least he knows the M2 quite well... 😉

He is also the one doing all their supertest lap times on the Nordschleife.
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FIY their driver is also a racing driver «at night». He has competed in the Nurburgring 24h race several times and this year drove a BMW M2 Racing.

At least he knows the M2 quite well... 😉

He is also the one doing all their supertest lap times on the Nordschleife.
They still chose the wrong Lotus, and it's more like a HP battle at that track rather than a track battle. The Lotus isn't made for high speed.
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wow that was pretty close. I wonder if driver would make a big difference?
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its straight up impressive for a car that you can do these numbers at Hockenheim, then pick up a months worth of groceries and your kid from daycare right after. I think if the M2CS lost the two rear seats it would handily win this race.

Will be curious to see what G87 M2CS can do with the S58 .
5 years from now? Maybe 6? Hehe the cs is usually the swansong for a generation and the g87 m2 isn’t being released until 2022 or 23 I thought?
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Whichever one has back seats is the winner for me.
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I haven't really commented on the M2 largely because I'm not really in the market for one (or will be for a while), but holy crap! To be able to trade punches with these two AND still offer more practicality than either of them is astonishing.
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