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      11-04-2019, 10:14 AM   #1
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Road and Track Performance Car of the Year 2020:

Full comparison article: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-of-the-year/

Not a bad showing at all for the M2 Competition.

And as I've mentioned earlier, nice seeing the M2C beat the Supra on the track, which is great to hear for my already fragile ego.


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Mazda Miata RF 1:34.64

Hyundai Veloster N 1:31.44

Toyota Supra 1:28.93

Lexus RC F Track 1:27.56

BMW M2 Competition 1:26.91

Lotus Evora GT 1:25.35

Nissan GT-R Nismo 1:23.80

Porsche 911 Carrera S 1:23.08

Chevrolet Corvette 1:22.83

McLaren 600LT 1:20.42

Lamborghini Huracán Evo 1:20.00
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"BMW M2 Competition suffers some of the Supra’s pitfalls, despite clocking an impressive 1:26.91. With 405 hp, the 3600-pound M2 is far from slow, but BMW seems to have worked hard to isolate the driver. All that hustle occurs through a cotton filter. The steering is light and vague. The extra grunt and suspension stiffness over the discontinued, 365-hp base M2 are part of a wholesale trade, exchanging a bit of that car’s talk for straight-line speed and a willingness to drift." Road and Track
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"BMW M2 Competition suffers some of the Supra's pitfalls, despite clocking an impressive 1:26.91. With 405 hp, the 3600-pound M2 is far from slow, but BMW seems to have worked hard to isolate the driver. All that hustle occurs through a cotton filter. The steering is light and vague. The extra grunt and suspension stiffness over the discontinued, 365-hp base M2 are part of a wholesale trade, exchanging a bit of that car's talk for straight-line speed and a willingness to drift." Road and Track
I think he's saying it's faster...but, more numb with regards to feel than the outgoing M2
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"BMW M2 Competition suffers some of the Supra's pitfalls, despite clocking an impressive 1:26.91. With 405 hp, the 3600-pound M2 is far from slow, but BMW seems to have worked hard to isolate the driver. All that hustle occurs through a cotton filter. The steering is light and vague. The extra grunt and suspension stiffness over the discontinued, 365-hp base M2 are part of a wholesale trade, exchanging a bit of that car's talk for straight-line speed and a willingness to drift." Road and Track
That's an odd observation. I think the steering in sport plus is too heavy compared to the holy grail 1M steering.
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"BMW M2 Competition suffers some of the Supra's pitfalls, despite clocking an impressive 1:26.91. With 405 hp, the 3600-pound M2 is far from slow, but BMW seems to have worked hard to isolate the driver. All that hustle occurs through a cotton filter. The steering is light and vague. The extra grunt and suspension stiffness over the discontinued, 365-hp base M2 are part of a wholesale trade, exchanging a bit of that car's talk for straight-line speed and a willingness to drift." Road and Track
That's an odd observation. I think the steering in sport plus is too heavy compared to the holy grail 1M steering.
"exchanging a bit of that car's talk for straight-line speed"

Talk in the sense of how communicative it is....that's feel to me 😃
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That's an odd observation. I think the steering in sport plus is too heavy compared to the holy grail 1M steering.
is it Hydraulic or electric power steering?
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I believe the 1M is hydraulic steering.
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That's an odd observation. I think the steering in sport plus is too heavy compared to the holy grail 1M steering.
is it Hydraulic or electric power steering?
M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
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That's an odd observation. I think the steering in sport plus is too heavy compared to the holy grail 1M steering.
is it Hydraulic or electric power steering?
M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
Correct 😎
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Thanks for the link! I used to work with one of the writers (Kyle Kinard.) Lots of good stories/good times with that guy. I'll have to give him shit for not liking my car the next time I see him though.
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I am pretty sure R&T and C&D get different cars to every other publication on the planet. It is almost comical at this stage.
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M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
I guess that's the reason why they prefer the steering feeling of 1M. EPS still can't match the feeling of hydraulic steering.
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I'm not certain how many but in that test grouping doesn't ever car bar the Lotus have EPS?
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Big surprises for me are how close the auto Lexus is to the M2. And how slow the GTR is. Progress.
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Road and Track Performance Car of the Year 2020:

Full comparison article: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-of-the-year/

Not a bad showing at all for the M2 Competition.

And as I've mentioned earlier, nice seeing the M2C beat the Supra on the track, which is great to hear for my already fragile ego.


Lap Times

Mazda Miata RF 1:34.64

Hyundai Veloster N 1:31.44

Toyota Supra 1:28.93

Lexus RC F Track 1:27.56

BMW M2 Competition 1:26.91

Lotus Evora GT 1:25.35

Nissan GT-R Nismo 1:23.80

Porsche 911 Carrera S 1:23.08

Chevrolet Corvette 1:22.83

McLaren 600LT 1:20.42

Lamborghini Huracán Evo 1:20.00
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M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
Why did auto manufacturers move to electric steering? Does it save weight or free up a lot more space in the engine bay?
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M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
Why did auto manufacturers move to electric steering? Does it save weight or free up a lot more space in the engine bay?
Saves weight, frees up space, less costs to manufacture/source materials, easier (in theory) to maintain.
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M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
Why did auto manufacturers move to electric steering?

Does it save weight or free up a lot more space in the engine bay?
Less drag on the engine= Better Fuel Economy ‼️
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M2 and M2C are EPS. 1M has hydraulic steering.
Why did auto manufacturers move to electric steering? Does it save weight or free up a lot more space in the engine bay?
The main reason was efficiency and therefore improved fuel consumption.
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" Much of the Supra’s time came from its spectacular front-end grip and precision, the front tires responsive and predictable, though filtered through dead steering. But the real problem is in how the thing does its job. At the limit, it can be twitchy and distant.

“The Toyota somehow manages to be joyless,” editor-at-large Sam Smith said, after his first session. “There’s no reward for focus, no incentive to be a hooligan… It doesn’t feel like any fast Toyota I’ve driven. None of the confidence or unflappability of a second- or third-generation Supra.”


Some of this likely lies at the feet of the car’s maker—without undoing a single fastener, we counted 28 separate uses of the word “BMW,” or the BMW logo, under the Supra’s hood. For a few years now, the Bavarians have been content to turn out cars the mechanical equivalent of the music student who can hit every note at recital but still miss the point of a piece. No surprise, then, that the BMW M2 Competition suffers some of the Supra’s pitfalls, despite clocking an impressive 1:26.91"


“I have mixed feelings,” contributor Ross Bentley said. “It’s not a bad car, just not what it should be. Good brakes, a little too much understeer. It gives confidence because it’s not going to do anything bad.” A shame, because nearly everyone praised the M2’s slick gearbox and perfectly positioned pedals. Proof that deep down, BMW still remembers the pleasure of a manual transmission. Unfortunately, that wasn’t enough to make the cut for the road portion of the test. Heartbreaking for a group of judges packed with BMW owners.


Wow... one would think these automotive journalists are forum members....

For those not familiar with Ross... https://speedsecrets.com/ross-bentley/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Bentley
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I think he's saying it's faster...but, more numb with regards to feel than the outgoing M2
If only they knew it is the same suspension, steering rack, etc. Sometimes I think these journalists look for differences that don’t exist.
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