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      04-27-2019, 10:49 PM   #1
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Comparison review by owner who has both a 2018 M2 and a 2019 M2 Competition

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Most of the guys here don't believe when I posted that the M2C suspension feels better/corners nicer than the standard M2 since BMW didn't technically change any part #'s but he confirms since he has both and drives them back to back that "something" was done since there is a substantial difference;

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Trust me… It’s just the placebo effect of the “competition” batch
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Trust me… It’s just the placebo effect of the “competition” batch
It's not. Had another M2 owner drive my car on Sunday when we met up, his first comment was how much smoother the power delivery is/more power and second comment was how much better the suspension/cornering felt like, third comment was the nicer seats.

Anyone here who is an M2 owner and claiming its a "placebo" isn't living in reality. BMW changed something in the suspension/feel of the car that doesn't just show up via part #'s. Please go drive an M2C back to back with your own car and then you'll see.
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      04-28-2019, 07:04 PM   #4
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It's not. Had another M2 owner drive my car on Sunday when we met up, his first comment was how much smoother the power delivery is/more power and second comment was how much better the suspension/cornering felt like, third comment was the nicer seats.
Anyone here who is an M2 owner and claiming its a "placebo" isn't living in reality. BMW changed something in the suspension/feel of the car that doesn't just show up via part #'s. Please go drive an M2C back to back with your own car and then you'll see.
Also part of the equation - see here (April 2018):
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The S55 adds weight, e.g., cooling system, closed deck design.
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Weight up 55kilos. WTF.
I guess competition is weight gain competition. I love how they add BS weight from engine cooling too. Crazy marketing! Chug the koolaid
"S55" just got itself an extra meaning: "Supplementary 55 kg".
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55kg can also subtly change how the dampers rebound.. Weight is not ideal for handling.

121lbs is the weight of an average size female. That's why subliminally crush my girlfriend's self-esteem until she starves herself to the point of borderline malnutrition.
#WeightReduction

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      04-28-2019, 07:35 PM   #6
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Aren't there multiple reviews online saying they changed the suspension tuning? I am also sure I heard them say they didn't touch a thing in a few videos as well...
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Also consider how many miles are on the OG dampers vs a newer car. I’m sure if you pass around 25k miles they don’t perform like new.
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Trust me… It’s just the placebo effect of the “competition” batch
Lol shut up dude.. so sick of people saying this
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      04-29-2019, 05:19 PM   #10
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Placebo effect... that’s funny.

I’ve read every M2C review/test article I could find.

I’ve watched countless videos of the same.

I can’t recall a single one that didn’t mention how much improved the M2C handling is over the already very good M2. Better is better.

Placebos are not that effective.

Sour grapes may be.

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Sounds like there's some conflation over ride comfort vs handling. Some are commenting that the M2c handles better than the M2. It should, it's been stiffened up more in front as well as well as having the steering and MDM remapped.

The other side of this is ride comfort, some say that the M2c rides the same while others say they notice it's a bit smoother than the M2.

What we know:
  • M2 and M2c suspension components are all identical and have identical part numbers.
  • M2c weighs more than the M2.
  • M2c front is stiffer with the added bulk head brace and CFRP strut brace.
Make your own conclusions.
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Sounds like there's some conflation over ride comfort vs handling. Some are commenting that the M2c handles better than the M2. It should, it's been stiffened up more in front as well as well as having the steering and MDM remapped.

The other side of this is ride comfort, some say that the M2c rides the same while others say they notice it's a bit smoother than the M2.

What we know:
  • M2 and M2c suspension components are all identical and have identical part numbers.
  • M2c weighs more than the M2.
  • M2c front is stiffer with the added bulk head brace and CFRP strut brace.
Make your own conclusions.
Or BMW’s conclusion...

The engine compartment contains the most striking component: the CFRP high-precision strut brace from the BMW M3/M4. This one-piece brace made from extremely light, yet high- strength, carbon fiber weighs in at just 3.3 lbs. Together with the bulkhead strut from the M4, it significantly increases front section rigidity and improves steering behavior and precision.

The high-performance chassis utilizes the lightweight aluminum intensive front and rear axles from the BMW M3/M4. In order to ensure extremely precise wheel location, tight tolerance ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces. The control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are made from forged aluminum. A racing-derived rigid connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear axle sub frame to the body. This improves wheel location and tracking stability.
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Sounds like there's some conflation over ride comfort vs handling. Some are commenting that the M2c handles better than the M2. It should, it's been stiffened up more in front as well as well as having the steering and MDM remapped.

The other side of this is ride comfort, some say that the M2c rides the same while others say they notice it's a bit smoother than the M2.

What we know:
  • M2 and M2c suspension components are all identical and have identical part numbers.
  • M2c weighs more than the M2.
  • M2c front is stiffer with the added bulk head brace and CFRP strut brace.
Make your own conclusions.
Or BMW's conclusion...

The engine compartment contains the most striking component: the CFRP high-precision strut brace from the BMW M3/M4. This one-piece brace made from extremely light, yet high- strength, carbon fiber weighs in at just 3.3 lbs. Together with the bulkhead strut from the M4, it significantly increases front section rigidity and improves steering behavior and precision.

The high-performance chassis utilizes the lightweight aluminum intensive front and rear axles from the BMW M3/M4. In order to ensure extremely precise wheel location, tight tolerance ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces. The control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are made from forged aluminum. A racing-derived rigid connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear axle sub frame to the body. This improves wheel location and tracking stability.
Everything you're saying is already included in the original M2, the M2C in essence is a motor swap with a carbon fiber brace.

The original M2 has a strut brace also, it's just not as prominent as the M2C's carbon fiber bling.

I know this controversial dispute will never end and I don't have an M2C to test the theory but common sense is telling me if the parts are the same number, it should have the same tolerances, thus, the two cars should pretty much feel the same.

I'm not doubting you M2C owners who claim otherwise, just saying, logically it doesn't make much sense.
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Or BMW’s conclusion...

The engine compartment contains the most striking component: the CFRP high-precision strut brace from the BMW M3/M4. This one-piece brace made from extremely light, yet high- strength, carbon fiber weighs in at just 3.3 lbs. Together with the bulkhead strut from the M4, it significantly increases front section rigidity and improves steering behavior and precision.

The high-performance chassis utilizes the lightweight aluminum intensive front and rear axles from the BMW M3/M4. In order to ensure extremely precise wheel location, tight tolerance ball joints are used to transmit transverse forces. The control arms and wheel carriers of the new five-link rear axle are made from forged aluminum. A racing-derived rigid connection, dispensing with rubber bushings, is used to fix the lightweight steel grid-type rear axle sub frame to the body. This improves wheel location and tracking stability.
BMW's conclusion? More like BMW marketing. The first paragraph is what has already been stated. The second paragraph is the same thing they said about the OG M2. Literally a copy/paste.
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      04-29-2019, 08:26 PM   #15
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Sour Grapes

Edit- didn’t mean to sound negative.

Allow me to quote myself...

“I’ve read every M2C review/test article I could find.

I’ve watched countless videos of the same.

I can’t recall a single one that didn’t mention how much improved the M2C handling is over the already very good M2.”

Perhaps small changes have had a large effect.

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These conversations remind me of the many on the F80/82/83 board when the ZCP came out. Of course the biggest difference here is the S55. There are clearly differences between the M2 and M2C just based on that, but I think we can agree that they are both great cars. I really enjoyed my drives in the OG M2 and also know I will also enjoy my incoming M2C.
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I read somewhere that the m2c uses more rose/heim joints at the rear
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I read somewhere that the m2c uses more rose/heim joints at the rear
The parts diagrams for the M2 and M2C on realoem are identical for the shock/spring page as well as the suspension arms (and nuts and bolts) on the "rear axle support"

OG M2

M2C

for fun here's an M4, also the same
LCI M4

Were BMW to actually change the parts but keep the same part #s that would mean M2C owners might get "old" M2 parts and "old" M2, M3 and M4 owners might get M2C parts. How would BMW even know how to keep suspension componenets for the M4 and the M2C separate for vehicle assembly? It seems much more plausible that the other changes, including the different steering profile, are what contribute to the different feel people are experiencing.
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I read somewhere that the m2c uses more rose/heim joints at the rear
The parts diagrams for the M2 and M2C on realoem are identical for the shock/spring page as well as the suspension arms (and nuts and bolts) on the "rear axle support"

OG M2

M2C

for fun here's an M4, also the same
LCI M4

Were BMW to actually change the parts but keep the same part #s that would mean M2C owners might get "old" M2 parts and "old" M2, M3 and M4 owners might get M2C parts. How would BMW even know how to keep suspension componenets for the M4 and the M2C separate for vehicle assembly? It seems much more plausible that the other changes, including the different steering profile, are what contribute to the different feel people are experiencing.


I've been braying since this claim of a difference "feel" between both vehicle started.

Yet M2C owners are adamant that the parts operation somehow "changed" but not the part numbers.

Tell me, why would they do that? Did they run out new digits to generate a revised part numbers? :
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I've been braying since this claim of a difference "feel" between both vehicle started.

Yet M2C owners are adamant that the parts operation somehow "changed" but not the part numbers.

Tell me, why would they do that? Did they run out new digits to generate a revised part numbers? :
Discontinuation of the old M2 made it redundant to keep stock of a previous revision of a part. So all parts that are with the same part number and shared with the M2C are now all new revised parts. This is how stuff works in the world of engineering.
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I've been braying since this claim of a difference "feel" between both vehicle started.

Yet M2C owners are adamant that the parts operation somehow "changed" but not the part numbers.

Tell me, why would they do that? Did they run out new digits to generate a revised part numbers? :
Discontinuation of the old M2 made it redundant to keep stock of a previous revision of a part. So all parts that are with the same part number and shared with the M2C are now all new revised parts. This is how stuff works in the world of engineering.
So how does it work when someone cracks their suspension in an OG M2 and a replacement part needs to be ordered? You're telling me that their new front left is better than their OG front right?
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