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      08-08-2018, 02:56 PM   #1
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      08-08-2018, 03:06 PM   #2
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[VIDEO]

Some interesting bits:

-New grill provides more than 40% additional air compared to OG M2.
-New bumper design also improve air intake around 10%.
-Overall 20% better cooling compared to the OG M2.
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nice to see the black wheels in a video. what a difference the darkness makes. i kind of like them in dark, not in silver at all
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I'm more nervous now than ever. How can I trust anyone that finds recording in portrait acceptable?!?!?!?
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I'm more nervous now than ever. How can I trust anyone that finds recording in portrait acceptable?!?!?!?
lol

it also makes me cringe when i see folks recording in portrait on the streets...cmon man! (as my toddler says)
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nice to see the black wheels in a video. what a difference the darkness makes. i kind of like them in dark, not in silver at all
I was 100% silver all the way but have changed my mind on light colors. Undecided on LBB or SO. BSM I think silver.

I saw the black wheels on an LBB car, but they were very dirty, so there was no shine from the face. They just looked matte black.
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I am not getting the point on the exhaust : new dual pipes compared to mono pipes before ... The previous M2 had 4 pipes or am I wrong ?
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The start of the engine at the end ... soundless !
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I am not getting the point on the exhaust : new dual pipes compared to mono pipes before ... The previous M2 had 4 pipes or am I wrong ?
Dual path from the the S55 twin turbos vs single path from the N55 single turbo.
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[VIDEO]
Some interesting bits:
-New grill provides more than 40% additional air compared to OG M2.
-New bumper design also improve air intake around 10%.
-Overall 20% better cooling compared to the OG M2.
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Dual path from the the S55 twin turbos vs single path from the N55 single turbo.
ok thanks ! that's going to make aftermaket exhausts more expensive ...
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[VIDEO]
Some interesting bits:
-New grill provides more than 40% additional air compared to OG M2.
-New bumper design also improve air intake around 10%.
-Overall 20% better cooling compared to the OG M2.
"Improve" ? To put things into perspective BMW should also specify how much more air and cooling the M2C absolutely needs compared to the original M2.

Or are the % figures to be understood as the bare necessity increase for fitting the S55 inside the M2C ?
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"Improve" ? To put things into perspective BMW should also specify how much more air and cooling the M2C absolutely needs compared to the original M2.

Or are the % figures to be understood as the bare necessity increase for fitting the S55 inside the M2C ?
Be aware that often the things that are said are a necessity to get engine to run properly. They then convert it into a nice marketing talk, as if they reinvented the wheel

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Be aware that often the things that are said are a necessity to get engine to run properly. They then convert it into a nice marketing talk, as if they reinvented the wheel
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Alike the M2 to M2C weight increase: "You get more M2 for almost the same price !".
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FvM's remark about power restrain due to the air intake and cooling capacity is perhaps not absolute.

What is absolute is he said 'we have to pay for performance'

That literally means to get the same power as the M4 we have to pay M4 money...which totally goes against the concept of an entry M model

The CS tune is available aftermarket though
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[VIDEO]
Some interesting bits:
-New grill provides more than 40% additional air compared to OG M2.
-New bumper design also improve air intake around 10%.
-Overall 20% better cooling compared to the OG M2.
"Improve" ? To put things into perspective BMW should also specify how much more air and cooling the M2C absolutely needs compared to the original M2.

Or are the % figures to be understood as the bare necessity increase for fitting the S55 inside the M2C ?
Yes, "improve". Whether the car really needs that extra air or not, if the new bumper provides more air flow than the older one, it's an improvement.

Edit: Also, speaking of necessary cooling, I'm sure you are aware of the heat soaking issues with the bone stock N55 M2. I already witnessed 2 occasions where completely OG M2s went into limp mode at the track. There is even a video review by Matt Farah talking about this issue. So, that being said, OG M2 needs more cooling too even in its stock form. Therefore, air-to-water cooling of S55 and new front-end design allowing more air intake along with bunch of other changes are definitely improvements.

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FvM's remark about power restrain due to the air intake and cooling capacity is perhaps not absolute.

What is absolute is he said 'we have to pay for performance'

That literally means to get the same power as the M4 we have to pay M4 money...which totally goes against the concept of an entry M model

The CS tune is available aftermarket though
We are all going to have so much fun with 500 hp in our M2C's

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We are all going to have so much fun with 500 hp in our M2C's

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nice to see the black wheels in a video. what a difference the darkness makes. i kind of like them in dark, not in silver at all
Tend to agree with you, although the silvers looked nice on a BSM car.

On a separate note, do you think this guy likes Puma? I can't tell....
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On a separate note, do you think this guy likes Puma? I can't tell....
Well we know what to bribe him with if we hear they are killing the 6MT.
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[VIDEO]

Some interesting bits:

-New grill provides more than 40% additional air compared to OG M2.
-New bumper design also improve air intake around 10%.
-Overall 20% better cooling compared to the OG M2.
Nice video.

All makes up for the poorer aero from the Mirrors.

Joke of course, based on prior (likely BS) standard mirror explanation from BMW.
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Wow they really are trying hard to justify the enlarged connected grill

Why do people still take pure marketing mumbo jumbo and repeat it like gospel as if everything said was such an impressive feat?

BMW aren't going to say "well guys, instead of redesigning the whole car, we messed up the original design and tacked on a new design front bumper on a old design language car because marketing said we have to, and had to put the engine in because of the new environmental regulations, please still buy it."

Are these people so insecure about buying the car that they need these things to comfort themselves into believing in having a weird front fascia, unusable power and horrible sound is a good trade off?

Take it for what it is. ITS MARKETING
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