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      06-28-2018, 02:34 PM   #45
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I'm so glad my French ass moved to California. What a bunch of sissies over there, nothing is legal. Not even Marijuana lolololol.
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I'm so glad my French ass moved to California. What a bunch of sissies over there, nothing is legal. Not even Marijuana lolololol.
Good move.

(I visit and then GTFO)

Now move to a state that has it's shit together.
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      06-28-2018, 02:36 PM   #47
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I've not seen a single article in the UK about this. Not saying there isn't an element of truth but highly unlikely to be European wide and more likely a specific country.

Still selling them in the UK.
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Isn't this Germany-only?
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      06-28-2018, 02:40 PM   #50
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Almost happenned. The laws are on the books just not enforced.

I'm talking about the removal of emissions equupment which also make the exhaust louder.
California has exhaust noise level law, maximum 95db. Friends in the past have had fixit tickets.
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Where I live in Georgia only 13 out of 159 counties even have emissions testing.... Pretty much Metro Atlanta area only.
when I was in Indiana I would say.. " what's emissions testing "? ..

In Texas we have testing in the counties in and around the major cities.. DFW, Houston (which NEEDS it the most) and Austin/San Antonio.
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California has exhaust noise level law, maximum 95db. Friends in the past have had fixit tickets.
freaking RACETRACKS in CA have noise laws...
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      06-28-2018, 02:44 PM   #53
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Where is this information coming from? I haven't heard anything from my BMW friends in Germany.

Any official sources to back this information up?
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California has exhaust noise level law, maximum 95db. Friends in the past have had fixit tickets.
freaking RACETRACKS in CA have noise laws...
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I wonder what this means for ED. Since technically Porsche and Mercedes sell cars with an exhaust button, and the exhaust gets louder on BMWs when you put it in Sport mode (a button) I wonder if they will have to stop doing ED for certain models or make those option unselectable if you do ED?
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Yeah, the EU.........what a farce ! Next the EU will ban Laser Lights as they may blind ants and crickets crossing the roads.
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If they're going to do this with cars, then do the same with loud v-twin no exhaust choppers
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freaking RACETRACKS in CA have noise laws...
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may I say that I am, in the same time sad and pissed off by this regulation, and also I am glad to say I am living in Europe but in country that is not in EU and happily will never be a part of EU so here we dont care about sound on car being louder than stock, or as we all say, louder than your girlfriend last night...

we have regulations in way that sound of car should not exceed ,I think ,85dB, but honestly no one cares as we can buy a cop some beer or give him like 10eur and he will act as we say
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In this age of fake news it's not surprising that a unsubstantiated rumour makes the front page of Bimmerpost...

No source is quoted or presented. Just something that was "discussed today"...

While it's true that noise is an area that both US and EU tightens regulations on, this rumour would mean that no aftermarket exhaust would be legal unless it's exactly as loud as the stock system. That means companies like Akrapovic, Eisenmann, Remus etc would go out of business. I'm pretty sure this would have been discussed and mentioned in the media and forums for a long time if true.

REGULATION (EU) No 540/2014 governs noise level and aftermarket exhaust systems:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...4R0540&from=EN

Article 11 of this regulation is the "Revision clause" and states:

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The Commission shall carry out and publish a detailed study on sound level limits by 1 July 2021. The study shall be based on vehicles meeting the latest regulatory requirements. On the basis of the conclusions of that study, the Commission shall, where appropriate, submit a legislative proposal.
So the EU revision isn't supposed to be published until 1 July 2021. Based on that study a legislative proposal shall be made, which would take a few years to pass and be implemented.

Article 15 of the regulation is "Entry into force":

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1.This Regulation shall enter into force on the twentieth day following that of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.

2.It shall apply from 1 July 2016.

3.Point 3.1.1 of Annex II shall apply from 1 July 2019.

4.Part B of Annex XI shall apply from 1 July 2027.
This regulation is still in force and hasn't been repealed yet. It's also less than 2 years since it came into force.

Also ECE Reg 59 which governs aftermarket exhaust systems, and is referred to in the EU Regulation is still in force:
https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/...15/R059r2e.pdf

So, as far as I can tell there is NO new legislation that confirms the story. Furthermore there is NO other sources on the interweb that I know of that coroborates the claim in the OP.

But who knows?
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California has exhaust noise level law, maximum 95db. Friends in the past have had fixit tickets.
I'm pretty sure both stock GT350 and GT350R are louder than 95db under WOT. How does Ford even sell them in CA?
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Possible silver lining, BMW could stop this pay to play bullshit and make noise/music and power standard
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OEM aftermarket exhaust, those I don't have a problem with. What I *do* have a problem with is all those giant LOSERS on Sloane Street, for example, just revving the shit out of their LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME cars. Impound those at once.
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What about other cars like Porsche that have an exhaust flap button? Those are still legal because they're on "stock" exhaust?
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