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      12-07-2017, 11:40 AM   #1
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There will be no M2 CSL.

Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.

Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.

The official wording was on the lines of "We will be stopping work on the M2 CSL". These words were spoken by a very "Frank" person.

ynguldyn : Please chime in here.

There is still hope for the M2 CS after the M2 Competition. A subset of these parts were booked out of inventory a little over a week ago.

The entire list is pretty large. I am only posting a subset which have M2 CS logo in them.

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There will be no M2 CSL.

Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.



Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.

ynguldyn : Please chime in here.
Sadness, as I was planning to pass on the CS to wait for the CSL. I picked up something over Thanksgiving that I couldn't pass up.
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There will be no M2 CSL.

Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.



Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.

ynguldyn : Please chime in here.
Interesting. Hadn't seen that. I think that really make sense given the bomb the m4 gts has been. And I don't mean that in the positive way!
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Is that because they’ve finished development work on the CSL and are moving onto their next project?

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There will be no M2 CSL.

Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.



Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.

ynguldyn : Please chime in here.
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      12-07-2017, 12:10 PM   #5
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Is that because they’ve finished development work on the CSL and are moving onto their next project?
The official wording was on the lines of "We will be stopping work on the M2 CSL". These words were spoken by a very "Frank" person.
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There will be no M2 CSL.

Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.



Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.

ynguldyn : Please chime in here.
Sounds like the CSL has been scrapped altogether. That's really sad news. Wonder what this "something else" is that the now defunct CSL team will be working on. Have a hunch it has nothing to do with an M2 variant.
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Sounds like the CSL has been scrapped altogether. That's really sad news. Wonder what this "something else" is that the now defunct CSL team will be working on. Have a hunch it has nothing to do with an M2 variant.
Gatte also posted this on the other thread:

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Words from the horses mouth itself ! Sad times indeed.

Through desperation I've pinged Van Meel on Linkedin and asked if i should get my deposit back and place it on a Cayman GT4

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The official wording was on the lines of "We will be stopping work on the M2 CSL". These words were spoken by a very "Frank" person.
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      12-07-2017, 03:31 PM   #9
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There will be no M2 CSL.
Also, there will be an M5 hybrid. Now, who would've thought that would happen.
Edit: When I say there will be no M2 CSL, what I mean is that whatever team was working on the M2 CSL has been officially asked to do something else. This was also announced at an internal event.
ynguldyn : Please chime in here.
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There is still hope for the M2 CS after the M2 Competition. A subset of these parts were booked out of inventory a little over a week ago.
The entire list is pretty large. I am only posting a subset which have M2 CS logo in them.
Interesting. Not read that before.

"CSL" = "Coupé Sport Leichtbau" = Coupé Sport Lightweight construction.

So Gatte, regarding the more track-oriented M2 variant: was it a change from "M2 CSL" to "M2 CS" during development, or was only the "M2 CS" planned right from the start ?

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Not surprising considering the current state of M4 GTS market.

Little do they know if they built an all-out CSL model with a manual gearbox, they would sell out instantly.

If a CS model is coming now as well as the Competition. That further cements the idea of the Competition not getting a big msrp bump. It will be the more standard car, just with more available options. CS will have everything standard plus some other goodies, with the CS ridiculous price tag.
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This whole thing is weird. Didn't BMW confirm not too long ago there would be a CSL variant? If so it's odd that they just suddenly pulled the plug on the CSL. My mind is racing with plausible "why" hypothesis for shutting this down. I have many, but what's the point in burning calories for nothing. It seems that BMW cannot make up its mind. M2 CS, no M2 Competition, no M2 CS, no, no, no, M2 CSL... we meant "no M2 CSL". FFS
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So Gatte, regarding the more track-oriented M2 variant: was it a change from "M2 CSL" to "M2 CS" during development, or was only the "M2 CS" planned right from the start ?
I am not sure.

I am assuming that there was a plan at some point to make the CSL which is why it was announced that they will be stopping work on that. A few weeks ago, I was told that they were contemplating scrapping the CS and having just "one other model" which I assumed at that point would be the CSL.

Nothing was spoken about the CS. I am assuming it is still on since I was told that the M2 CS has been ready for a very long time now and because parts belonging to the CS were recently used somewhere.
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Through desperation I've pinged Van Meel on Linkedin and asked if i should get my deposit back and place it on a Cayman GT4
1 step ahead of ya. Already have a deposit.

If that gets the 4.0 from the GT3,
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This whole thing is weird. Didn't BMW confirm not too long ago there would be a CSL variant?
BMW just said that the CSL designation would replace the GTS. Maybe they might revisit it later in a year or so if it makes sense.

I really wanted to see a GT4 competitor from BMW.
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I don't think the project has been axed...may be on the back-burner for now

After all the CSL initiative was from the highest so plenty of pull to proceed forward when the time is right

I believe pricing on the competition model will be pretty aggressive as it is not a limited edition model. They will go for volume rather then a steeper margin as it has to be competitive with the RS3s, A45 AMGs...etc As such I see a max of 10-15% increment in price
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I wonder if it has anything to do with M2 sales cooling off and demand being reached with cars now sitting on dealer lots?
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Aaaahahahahahahahahahaha. BMW's priorities are goddamn laughable. I can't wait for this selling out to catch up to them. Once the reputation hype that's keeping the sales coming at present dies off because the masses realize they're only making German appliances on wheels, BMW will wonder where they went wrong.

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Sorry to hear about the CSL, but back to that M5 tidbit.

So are you saying that there will be an M5 hybrid while F90 M5 is still in its production cycle, ala the LCI F90 M5 changing drivetrains? Or do you mean the next generation G90 M5 will be the one that's hybrid? I think hybrid M5 will be a possibility but M3 hybrid won't due to the fact that batteries are too heavy still. But for a car like the M5 which is still about 4,400lbs, adding a 100lbs for a battery wont make too much more difference.
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Sorry to hear about the CSL, but back to that M5 tidbit.

So are you saying that there will be an M5 hybrid while F90 M5 is still in its production cycle, ala the LCI F90 M5 changing drivetrains? Or do you mean the next generation G90 M5 will be the one that's hybrid? I think hybrid M5 will be a possibility but M3 hybrid won't due to the fact that batteries are too heavy still. But for a car like the M5 which is still about 4,400lbs, adding a 100lbs for a battery wont make too much more difference.
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Not surprised. Frankly, I’d be more shocked if they actually made it

10 bucks we get 4er active tourer before we get any CSL models
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