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      08-01-2017, 05:40 AM   #1
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that's faster than their Giulia / C63 AMG lap by far and close to the M3 that was DCT.

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Do a DCT lap please.

Should undo some damage done by many manual track times set by journalists.
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Do a DCT lap please.

Should undo some damage done by many manual track times set by journalists.
Damage? Could it be the car isn't as fast as you think?
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Do a DCT lap please.

Should undo some damage done by many manual track times set by journalists.
Damage? Could it be the car isn't as fast as you think?
According to you.
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Do a DCT lap please.

Should undo some damage done by many manual track times set by journalists.
Damage? Could it be the car isn't as fast as you think?
It can be. Faster or slower, we want facts doing it justice.

These days it's been unfair any car's track time (for comparison use) set by manual. Why not using m3/4/5 manual, just because m2 is more "driver involving" and "fun"?

That does make a significant difference in track time especially when it is all the journalists behind the steering wheel.
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Do a DCT lap please.

Should undo some damage done by many manual track times set by journalists.
Damage? Could it be the car isn't as fast as you think?
According to you.
No need to be snide. I'm asking the question. Frankly I don't care how the car fares in track times, though that it does as well as it does is surprising to me. Although the car seems to do very well with skilled drivers.

If the lap times matter to you so much that you feel the need to criticise a journalist then that is fine as well. But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
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No need to be snide. I'm asking the question. Frankly I don't care how the car fares in track times, though that it does as well as it does is surprising to me. Although the car seems to do very well with skilled drivers.

If the lap times matter to you so much that you feel the need to criticise a journalist then that is fine as well. But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.

Are journalist above criticism? Does criticizing a journalist require a 2 paragraph response from you?

The time is there. The optimistic times you expect are reality. The M2 hangs with the M3 ZCP. WE are interested in it. It was done on a slower manual. It is natural to expect that the same driver would do a few ticks better. Putting the M2 in the top 10.

Why are you allowed to go on about your surprise that the car is doing so well, yet us believing it can do even better on a even playing field is a bad thing?

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No need to be snide. I'm asking the question. Frankly I don't care how the car fares in track times, though that it does as well as it does is surprising to me. Although the car seems to do very well with skilled drivers.

If the lap times matter to you so much that you feel the need to criticise a journalist then that is fine as well. But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
If you drop a hot, rhetorical one-liner on someone, expect a snide response. Just sayin'.
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But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
Lets see how the M2s numbers stacked up against other cars.

Does this qualify as optimistic?
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Anglesey lap times:

1. BAC MONO 1:31.00
2. McLaren P1 1:34.25
3. Porsche 911 GT3 1:34.96
4. McLaren 675LT Spider 1:35.70
5. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) 1:36.10
6. Ferrari 488 GTB 1:36.90
7. TVR T350t Red Rose LW 1:37.00
8. McLaren 570S 1:37.90
9. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) 1:38.10
10. Porsche 911 R (991) 1:38.70
11. BMW M3 GTS 1:39.00
12. Porsche 718 Cayman S 1:39.03
13. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 1:39.10
14. BMW M3 Competition Package 1:40.16
15. BMW M4 GTS 1:40.40
16. Audi TT RS Coupe (8S) 1:40.57
17. BMW M2 (F87) 1:40.68
18. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S 1:40.80
19. Jaguar F-Type SVR 1:41.20
20. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV 1:41.55
Source: fastestlaps.com


I see nothing wrong with questioning what a DCT would do to that time. Top 10 quite possibly.
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Lets see how the M2s numbers stacked up against other cars.

Does this qualify as optimistic?

Source: fastestlaps.com


I see nothing wrong with questioning what a DCT would do to that time. Top 10 quite possibly.
The difference in times among #s 14 through 17 is interesting, to say the least. The M4 GTS is .28 of a second faster than an M2 on a 1:40 track?? The primary purpose of a GTS is as a track machine. Double the price gets you .28 seconds?
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No need to be snide. I'm asking the question. Frankly I don't care how the car fares in track times, though that it does as well as it does is surprising to me. Although the car seems to do very well with skilled drivers.

If the lap times matter to you so much that you feel the need to criticise a journalist then that is fine as well. But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.

Are journalist above criticism? Does criticizing a journalist require a 2 paragraph response from you?

The time is there. The optimistic times you expect are reality. The M2 hangs with the M3 ZCP. WE are interested in it. It was done on a slower manual. It is natural to expect that the same driver would do a few ticks better. Putting the M2 in the top 10.

Why are you allowed to go on about your surprise that the car is doing so well, yet us believing it can do even better on a even playing field is a bad thing?
I think an even playing field is just fine. I just really think it could be a stretch to think that the m2s reputation is somehow "damaged" by an otherwise totally acceptable lap time.
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But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
Let’s see how the M2s numbers stacked up against other cars.

Does this qualify as optimistic?
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Anglesey lap times:

1. BAC MONO 1:31.00
2. McLaren P1 1:34.25
3. Porsche 911 GT3 1:34.96
4. McLaren 675LT Spider 1:35.70
5. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) 1:36.10
6. Ferrari 488 GTB 1:36.90
7. TVR T350t Red Rose LW 1:37.00
8. McLaren 570S 1:37.90
9. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) 1:38.10
10. Porsche 911 R (991) 1:38.70
11. BMW M3 GTS 1:39.00
12. Porsche 718 Cayman S 1:39.03
13. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 1:39.10
14. BMW M3 Competition Package 1:40.16
15. BMW M4 GTS 1:40.40
16. Audi TT RS Coupe (8S) 1:40.57
17. BMW M2 (F87) 1:40.68
18. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S 1:40.80
19. Jaguar F-Type SVR 1:41.20
20. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV 1:41.55
Source: fastestlaps.com


I see nothing wrong with questioning what a DCT would do to that time. Top 10 quite possibly.
Well.. coming in at spots 9 and 10 are the 911 GT3 and the 911 R .. six tenths difference.

If that difference was added to the M2 time That doesn't move it very far.
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But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
Let’s see how the M2s numbers stacked up against other cars.

Does this qualify as optimistic?
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Anglesey lap times:

1. BAC MONO 1:31.00
2. McLaren P1 1:34.25
3. Porsche 911 GT3 1:34.96
4. McLaren 675LT Spider 1:35.70
5. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) 1:36.10
6. Ferrari 488 GTB 1:36.90
7. TVR T350t Red Rose LW 1:37.00
8. McLaren 570S 1:37.90
9. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) 1:38.10
10. Porsche 911 R (991) 1:38.70
11. BMW M3 GTS 1:39.00
12. Porsche 718 Cayman S 1:39.03
13. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 1:39.10
14. BMW M3 Competition Package 1:40.16
15. BMW M4 GTS 1:40.40
16. Audi TT RS Coupe (8S) 1:40.57
17. BMW M2 (F87) 1:40.68
18. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S 1:40.80
19. Jaguar F-Type SVR 1:41.20
20. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV 1:41.55
Source: fastestlaps.com


I see nothing wrong with questioning what a DCT would do to that time. Top 10 quite possibly.
Well.. coming in at spots 9 and 10 are the 911 GT3 and the 911 R .. six tenths difference.

If that difference was added to the M2 time That doesn't move it very far.
It should be the 991 GT3 RS that is the dual clutch counterpart of 911 R. So you better look at 997 4.0 GT3RS on the list, which is 2.6 sec quicker. Then think a few tenths faster with 991 GT3 RS.

Not trying to say m2 DCT is that good, but really you need a pro to close the DCT-manual gap if ever possible at all.

And you've made a very wrong point.
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But like I said sometimes I wonder if the hardware just isn't there to get the optimistic times some expect.
Let’s see how the M2s numbers stacked up against other cars.

Does this qualify as optimistic?
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Anglesey lap times:

1. BAC MONO 1:31.00
2. McLaren P1 1:34.25
3. Porsche 911 GT3 1:34.96
4. McLaren 675LT Spider 1:35.70
5. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) 1:36.10
6. Ferrari 488 GTB 1:36.90
7. TVR T350t Red Rose LW 1:37.00
8. McLaren 570S 1:37.90
9. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) 1:38.10
10. Porsche 911 R (991) 1:38.70
11. BMW M3 GTS 1:39.00
12. Porsche 718 Cayman S 1:39.03
13. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series 1:39.10
14. BMW M3 Competition Package 1:40.16
15. BMW M4 GTS 1:40.40
16. Audi TT RS Coupe (8S) 1:40.57
17. BMW M2 (F87) 1:40.68
18. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S 1:40.80
19. Jaguar F-Type SVR 1:41.20
20. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV 1:41.55
Source: fastestlaps.com


I see nothing wrong with questioning what a DCT would do to that time. Top 10 quite possibly.
Well.. coming in at spots 9 and 10 are the 911 GT3 and the 911 R .. six tenths difference.

If that difference was added to the M2 time That doesn't move it very far.
991 GT3 RS should be the dual clutch counterpart of 911 R.

You better look at 997 4.0 GT3RS, which is 2.6 sec quicker. Think 3 sec faster with 991 GT3 RS.

Not trying to think m2 DCT is that good. Just say you've made a wrong point.



Not a Porsche guy .. didn't know where the R slots in ..
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The difference in times among #s 14 through 17 is interesting, to say the least. The M4 GTS is .28 of a second faster than an M2 on a 1:40 track?? The primary purpose of a GTS is as a track machine. Double the price gets you .28 seconds?
While the laps were done on the same track, they were also done on different days. Different days in an area on the coast of Wales.... That alone negates comparing laps times before we have a chance factor in the other variables.
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While the laps were done on the same track, they were also done on different days. Different days in an area on the coast of Wales.... That alone negates comparing laps times before we have a chance factor in the other variables.
This can be said about every time on every track in existence.
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This can be said about every time on every track in existence.
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