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      02-05-2017, 10:37 PM   #1
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Should I get a 435?

I used to have a 08 335i N54 with RB turbos and plenty of power. Never had it dynod but it had to be upper 400 maybe very low 500 just by seeing what everyone else with similar mods was putting down.
I sold it and bought a 2012 Range Rover evoque and now am undecided what I want next.

I'm thinking a 435i but with the years that have gone by I'm gonna guess even more tuning capabilities have been keyed in.

What's an FBO 435 dyno these days on a 50/50 mix? Stock turbos
And what's it take to get over the 500/500 mark without running meth?
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From many Dynos I have seen, average fbo 435 on e85 mix are good for just about 380-420whp and about 400-450tq (depending on tune) . FSociety has seen a lot of Dynos for n55's as well he may be able to give u some numbers. I know there a f30 335 stock turbos fbo and meth who dyno'd at 446whp/571wtq
500/500 and up would definitely be pure stage 2 turbo + e85

When ur looking at Dynos around too btw, make sure to check out for the f30 335, see if they are pwg or ewg, ewg usually make a little bit more power. All 435s are ewg but the earlier f30 335s were pwg

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From many Dynos I have seen, average fbo 435 on e85 mix are good for just about 380-420whp and about 400-450tq (depending on tune) . FSociety has seen a lot of Dynos for n55's as well he may be able to give u some numbers. I know there a f30 335 stock turbos fbo and meth who dyno'd at 446whp/571wtq
500/500 and up would definitely be pure stage 2 turbo + e85

When ur looking at Dynos around too btw, make sure to check out for the f30 335, see if they are pwg or ewg, ewg usually make a little bit more power. All 435s are ewg but the earlier f30 335s were pwg
What does ewg and pwg mean?
And if I get another one it'll for sure be a 435
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From many Dynos I have seen, average fbo 435 on e85 mix are good for just about 380-420whp and about 400-450tq (depending on tune) . FSociety has seen a lot of Dynos for n55's as well he may be able to give u some numbers. I know there a f30 335 stock turbos fbo and meth who dyno'd at 446whp/571wtq
500/500 and up would definitely be pure stage 2 turbo + e85

When ur looking at Dynos around too btw, make sure to check out for the f30 335, see if they are pwg or ewg, ewg usually make a little bit more power. All 435s are ewg but the earlier f30 335s were pwg
What does ewg and pwg mean?
And if I get another one it'll for sure be a 435
Electronic waste gate which is 2015+ I believe , and from what I've read makes power a little easier then the PWG.(forgot the acronym for it)
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All 435i's are EWG if I'm not mistaken.
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All 435i's are EWG if I'm not mistaken.

You're not mistaken...

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I used to have a 08 335i N54 with RB turbos and plenty of power. Never had it dynod but it had to be upper 400 maybe very low 500 just by seeing what everyone else with similar mods was putting down.
I sold it and bought a 2012 Range Rover evoque and now am undecided what I want next.

I'm thinking a 435i but with the years that have gone by I'm gonna guess even more tuning capabilities have been keyed in.

What's an FBO 435 dyno these days on a 50/50 mix? Stock turbos
And what's it take to get over the 500/500 mark without running meth?
With the 435 I've seen 384whp/467wtq in cool weather on e30 blend with piggyback (E85 helps torque gains) also seen local friend m235 FBO Flash Tuned 395/446 , haven't seen on 50/50 mix yet since thats typically too much E85 for most cars without a supplemental fueling.

You won't hit anywhere close to 450whp without Meth or Port Injection.
The stock turbos world record was just hit at 446whp; if you want to run 500/500 reliably you should upgrade the turbo.

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From many Dynos I have seen, average fbo 435 on e85 mix are good for just about 380-420whp and about 400-450tq (depending on tune) . FSociety has seen a lot of Dynos for n55's as well he may be able to give u some numbers. I know there a f30 335 stock turbos fbo and meth who dyno'd at 446whp/571wtq
500/500 and up would definitely be pure stage 2 turbo + e85

When ur looking at Dynos around too btw, make sure to check out for the f30 335, see if they are pwg or ewg, ewg usually make a little bit more power. All 435s are ewg but the earlier f30 335s were pwg
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Electronic waste gate which is 2015+ I believe , and from what I've read makes power a little easier then the PWG.(forgot the acronym for it)
PWG= Pneumatic Waste-gate
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I used to have a 08 335i N54 with RB turbos and plenty of power. Never had it dynod but it had to be upper 400 maybe very low 500 just by seeing what everyone else with similar mods was putting down.
I sold it and bought a 2012 Range Rover evoque and now am undecided what I want next.

I'm thinking a 435i but with the years that have gone by I'm gonna guess even more tuning capabilities have been keyed in.

What's an FBO 435 dyno these days on a 50/50 mix? Stock turbos
And what's it take to get over the 500/500 mark without running meth?
Used F80/F82 in the budget?

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All 435i's are EWG if I'm not mistaken.
Yes all 2014+ models (1/2/3/4 series) are EWG

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I used to have a 08 335i N54 with RB turbos and plenty of power. Never had it dynod but it had to be upper 400 maybe very low 500 just by seeing what everyone else with similar mods was putting down.
I sold it and bought a 2012 Range Rover evoque and now am undecided what I want next.

I'm thinking a 435i but with the years that have gone by I'm gonna guess even more tuning capabilities have been keyed in.

What's an FBO 435 dyno these days on a 50/50 mix? Stock turbos
And what's it take to get over the 500/500 mark without running meth?
You can go FBO with upgraded turbos similar to what you did on your N54 or get an M3
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Well it definitely looks like if I got this car I would have to upgrade turbos or is it turbo on the N55? Anyways to be happy
Other than Pure what are the other top options for upgraded turbos?

Secondly what are these new 440i doing FBO as far as rwhp?
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Well it definitely looks like if I got this car I would have to upgrade turbos or is it turbo on the N55? Anyways to be happy
Other than Pure what are the other top options for upgraded turbos?

Secondly what are these new 440i doing FBO as far as rwhp?
Pure makes a great turbo upgrade.. Both for the N55 and the new B58 (440)

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Secondly what are these new 440i doing FBO as far as rwhp?
The B58 is just at the beginning of its potential now. There is a fuel limiter which is causing a cap on max power output.

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The B58 is just at the beginning of its potential now. There is a fuel limiter which is causing a cap on max power output.

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And what are they putting down right now?
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Have the HPFP issues been taken care of in the 2014s?

And are there anythings I should know about the 2014s as far as issues?

My water pump went out in my 2008 and I had to replace one injector. I upgraded the LPFP and never had a problem with my HPFP I'm thinking because of the upgraded LPFP

Secondly can I get Pure STage 2 and install it without any other mods and drive it like that without a tune and not have any issues?

Oh are the automatic trannies upgraded over the 2008?
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Have the HPFP issues been taken care of in the 2014s?

And are there anythings I should know about the 2014s as far as issues?

My water pump went out in my 2008 and I had to replace one injector. I upgraded the LPFP and never had a problem with my HPFP I'm thinking because of the upgraded LPFP

Secondly can I get Pure STage 2 and install it without any other mods and drive it like that without a tune and not have any issues?

Oh are the automatic trannies upgraded over the 2008?
You need to search about at lease the basic staff. They have different powertrain form E to F. If you dont know that the trany in the F is 8sp from 6 sp auto on E, then i dont know
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You need to search about at lease the basic staff. They have different powertrain form E to F. If you dont know that the trany in the F is 8sp from 6 sp auto on E, then i dont know
Mind providing some links? I'm super busy so to just sit on computer and search isn't so easy for me. But I will do the reading
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