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      11-21-2016, 10:26 AM   #1
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Chris Harris drives: BMW M2 vs BMW 1M Coupe

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Good to see a reviewer put their money where their mouth is and actually buy one of these cars - even if it is the 1M
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Nice one but, despite the fact I find his reviews to be the most entertaining at the present, I reckon he decides whether or not a car is good based solely on how well it slides...
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Nice one but, despite the fact I find his reviews to be the most entertaining at the present, I reckon he decides whether or not a car is good based solely on how well it slides...
He slides them in videos because that is what most people seem to want. He is an accomplished racing driver which is why people listen to him.
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sorry but i dont belive the 1m is faster on straight with stage 1.
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sorry but i dont belive the 1m is faster on straight with stage 1.
Why not? The 1M had overboost too. That function puts it pretty close to an M2 in terms of numbers. Add the differences between the N54 and N55, two turbos versus one, etc., and it's possible that a Stage 1 1M could do the business. I don't doubt Harris' observations one bit. I also agree with his opinion that the 1M is just a bit more special........and has a bit more spirit. I'd still take a 1M any day over an M2. Of course other opinions about which is better may vary.
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sorry but i dont belive the 1m is faster on straight with stage 1.
The two cars have the same stock tq numbers on overboost, and hp isn't far off according to dyno's.

but yeah it must be fake. they staged it!
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sorry but i dont belive the 1m is faster on straight with stage 1.
To be fair, a 1M with a remap and exhaust should be much faster than a stock M2.

As an M2 owner I still double take each time I see a 1M. I'd love one.
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sorry but i dont belive the 1m is faster on straight with stage 1.
A 1m on stage one will put down more than an m2 stock.
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I think that's an apples and oranges comparison. A 1M remapped with an Akra against a stock M2.
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Wow! Looks like everyone completely missed the point of that review!
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Nice one but, despite the fact I find his reviews to be the most entertaining at the present, I reckon he decides whether or not a car is good based solely on how well it slides...
its another style of driving. if he just tested it around town or lap timed it, itd be like every other review of the car. and like others have said, its what we want to see from him. its his style.
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1M vs M2 pissing match has commenced right off the bat. Par for the course as usual.
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As Chris Harris said: "yum, yum".
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Wow! Looks like everyone completely missed the point of that review!
For real. It is a very respectful conversation for both cars, mentions minor differences and ends on him praising both cars. Hardly a 1m is better than an m2 (or other way around) type review. Makes me want both.
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Frankly, I love daily driving my 1M. The M2 has basically the same steering as my M4 did and it is pretty lackluster / not exciting. The M2 might be faster but the 1M is jerky, bouncy, playful and sends a lot of feedback -- it's the journey not the outcome. For me, I roll the windows down every morning and basically smiling the whole way to work. If I wanted something smooth and gentle I would have got a Mercedes or someting
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That's a good picture... Makes me appreciate MG more, though make mine Orange or M3 Yellow - if you are going to have a silly car, it looks better in a silly color
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As several know, I swapped my 1M for an M2 and 'allowed' both cars to shine their true colors on mountain twisties (Alps and Dolomites).

Both cars have their own character: 'The Wild One' (1M) versus 'The Mild One' (M2).

As I wrote in a comment: if the 1M is rock 'n roll, then the M2 is jazz. Both got soul, but in a different way. Kinky (1M) & Cool (M2): I love both.

Below you find some general impressions I posted in the past (June 2016). Not incompatible with what Chris Harris has stated in his 1M/M2 video posted today.



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Some asked me for some M2 versus 1M thoughts.

As commented already in the past, we all know that Charles Lindbergh was the first to cross the Atlantic in a solo non-stop flight. Many after him emulated his feat in a faster time and with better planes ...but everyone keeps referring to Lindbergh as the pioneer, the one reported in the books as the classic.

That's how I will keep approaching the 1M: a 21st century back-to-basics pocket-rocket trendsetter, delivering drive after drive. Visceral, rebel-ish and eclectic: embodying fine bits and pieces exquisitely puzzled together to a car inducing "Je ne sais quoi" feelings (cfr. a desirable "It" factor). Embracing a dash of the serendipity spirit, instantly getting BMW M accolades, hat tips and rave reviews exceeding initial expectations. Move to groove, and you'll find out: what a car !

But let's not infer from that point of view that the 1M was the very last section of the book on ///M car classics. IMHO the 1M also incorporated/incorporates the potential of a promising ///M future, a cliffhanger for another great episode in ///M Land. Also inspiring competitors to build compact, powerful cars, equally pleasing manual transmission aficionados, with an emphasis on great chassis dynamics offering driving pleasure when zippingly zooming through sensual S-es and twirling twisties (pulling G's through the S's), rather than focusing on cold maths (including straight-line speed statistics). "How exciting was the drive ?" as leading question ringing your mind when you get out of the car.

It was/is up to BMW and BMW M to decide whether to further explore (also) that semi-kinky direction on the 'warmer side of cool' spectrum. Hence, the M2 and possible M2 variants (CS/CSL/GTS ?).

Whether the 1M's spiritual successor(s) can match the 1M awesomeness level, is a tad too personal (and currently even too early to answer). Personal preferences will be of influence: so-called 'purism' (though a rather vague notion), nostalgia, daily driver, more street-oriented, more track-oriented, regularly also more people on board, etc. ?

For some the M2 (c.q. future M2 variants) will certainly match that level, for some it will even up the ante with another notch and for some it will fall short. For example, it has been already righteously pointed out that the 1M can drive like it has 'ants in its pants', that its 'feistiness' makes it a bit of a rascal or wildflower, taking you for a drive on the treacherous wild side (and eventually beyond). But in the end it strikes a nice balance between wild and domesticated, impetuously but not erratic.

The M2 is indeed more indulgent/forgiving/lenient for driver's excitement than the 1M, awarding it (i.e. the M2) a more mature stature: the M2's back is broad enough to take the strain at a point where the 1M gives up and throws you out of the saddle. Some will like this kind of indulgence for safety reasons (staying on course), others probably don't (preferring a more challenging 'no risk no fun' on-the-edge behavior, requiring more attention or skill from the driver to avoid going off course). As indicated, in the end it's a personal thing.

Here's to hoping that most car enthusiasts, c.q. ///M-thusiasts, will consider - in a near-future digital-ish eDrive era - that both the 1M and the M2 remain prime examples of motoring marvels straight out of that good old six-banger semi-'analog' ///M era.

A lot of enthusiasts are craving to even get a ride in any of these vehicles (the 1M sometimes happens to be already labeled "unobtainium"). If you happen to own one of these, then consider yourself a lucky person. Take it out for another drive soon, and enjoy it to bits. In the end, none of the experienced moments of driving pleasure can ever be taken away from you anymore.

Personally loving both. Moved on and thankful for the past. No regrets, really. Alike friends of the past you spent great times with: the fact that things have changed over time, with each living different lives nowadays (and with some friend(s) possibly already perished in the meantime), does by no means prevent you to cherish a walk down memory lane, thinking back with a smile about great times from that (faraway) past too. Fond memories never tire.



The 1M was never bored because the 1M was never boring.

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I already confirmed in previous posts that both the 1M and M2 have their own character. Same bloodline but no twins:
"The M2 is indeed more indulgent/forgiving/lenient for driver's excitement than the 1M, awarding it (i.e. the M2) a more mature stature: the M2's back is broad enough to take the strain at a point where the 1M gives up and throws you out of the saddle. Some will like this kind of indulgence for safety reasons (staying on course), others probably don't (preferring a more challenging 'no risk no fun' on-the-edge behavior, requiring more attention or skill from the driver to avoid going off course). As indicated, in the end it's a personal thing."
(http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...6#post20069276)
Speaking from personal experience (confirmed by all other drivers who joined me up there high in the mountains for a great back-to-back 1M/M2 driving session), the 1M requires more involvement from the driver to keep it right on course, when driven in a spirited way in a daunting, treacherous environment. The driver's seat as a work place. If you manage to keep the 1M's feisty nature under control when pushed, you're in for an exciting stint of pure driving joy: you're going out with 'Kinky Boots', who has a soft spot for walks on the wild side, requiring your full attention. Work that body. Its genuine steering feel (actually 'analog', you might say) contributes to this overall experience. But beware: push too hard and the short-wheelbase 1M may bite back without mercy (personally I never had a mishap with any of my M cars - see me touching wood right now - only some so-called 'moments').

The M2 is less hardcore than the 1M. It helps the driver better in staying on course under challenging conditions. But it would be a mistake to label it 'docile' or 'numb'. You're going out with 'Cool Boots', who takes care of stuff to make it more comfortable for you. Reliable, trustworthy. The M2 equally requires driver's involvement, but less than the 1M. Also, the M2 DSC light is significantly 'calmer' on the M2 compared to the 1M on exactly the same roads. This gives the impression that the M2 chassis copes better with whatever situation the driver is throwing at it. Hence, it feels as if the M2 is easier/safer to drive than the 1M, when driven at the same speed through the bumpy twisties.

Driving the 1M again triggered some kind of bittersweet feeling for me. Probably like the tempting idea of making whoopee again with that pretty wild ex-girlfriend from a bygone past: that familiar feeling and fond memories lingering on like a lush perfume swirling in the evening air. But, hey, you both parted ways back in the day, moved on and got settled. No regrets, really.

If the 1M is rock 'n roll, then the M2 is jazz. Both got soul, but in a different way. Kinky (1M) & Cool (M2): I love both.

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I think ONE person missed the point, and the rest of us reacted to him.
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