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BMW M2 Coupe Suspension Photos at Brussels Auto Salon 2016

This topic follows my earlier topic with an initial impression and includes all the interior photos I made of the BMW M2 Coupe on display at the Brussel Auto Salon; http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1214282

These photos are tricky! I will mention what is what... The first series photos attached to this post show the LEFT REAR SUSPENSION! I tried my best to get all the parts in the shot but it was not easy laying on the floor under a car making photos without people asking themselves W T F is that guy doing...

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And this is the front right suspension...
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This is left front and the rear diff...
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Pre-production front struts I take it? Or is BMW doing a multi-part unit now, with an AL spring perch, etc.?

Also, rear subframe almost looks hard-mounted to the unibody...
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And this is the front right suspension...
I notice there is not so much space left between wheels and suspension. Can you confirm this ? Possibilities for larger tyres ?
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I notice there is not so much space left between wheels and suspension. Can you confirm this ? Possibilities for larger tyres ?
At quick glance, iooks like you could add 10mm (maybe 5) inboard on those wheels/offset, so probably a tire 20mm wider.

After that, you'd have to add wheels spacers or wheels with a higher offset.
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I notice there is not so much space left between wheels and suspension. Can you confirm this ? Possibilities for larger tyres ?
Yup really close... As PrematureApex said...

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So 265/285 max with additional camber but without rolling the fenders?
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So 265/285 max with additional camber but without rolling the fenders?


Wunderbar.

Rolling the fenders?

You have got to be kidding.
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Pre-production front struts I take it? Or is BMW doing a multi-part unit now, with an AL spring perch, etc.?

Also, rear subframe almost looks hard-mounted to the unibody...
at this late date, this is absolutely final production.

Yes, AL spring perches..

Rear subframe is hard mounted in the M4 correct? It's the Same piece ..

The price drop in the M2 from the M4 is directly due to the following.


No CF ROOF
less expensive motor
Less expensive interior
Lower quality seats
No adaptive suspension
No Individual


BMW has spread the costs of suspension,
Transmission, and nearly all drivetrain costs across both models including the wheels and tires.
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The price drop in the M2 from the M4 is directly due to the following.
No CF ROOF
less expensive motor
Less expensive interior
Lower quality seats
No adaptive suspension
No Individual
BMW has spread the costs of suspension,
Transmission, and nearly all drivetrain costs across both models including the wheels and tires.
Ordering a multi-course menu (package for a global price) proposed by the restaurant, is normally less expensive than ordering the same courses la carte. And the food may be more fresh (better availability) and quicker prepared.

Predefined package(d) (rather loaded) = less choice for the customer to personalize = more efficiency at the factory = lower production cost.

Also: M3 = cash cow. M2 profits and publicity may be less, percentage wise (production cost versus MSRP).
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The price drop in the M2 from the M4 is directly due to the following.
No CF ROOF
less expensive motor
Less expensive interior
Lower quality seats
No adaptive suspension
No Individual
BMW has spread the costs of suspension,
Transmission, and nearly all drivetrain costs across both models including the wheels and tires.
Ordering a multi-course menu (package for a global price) proposed by the restaurant, is normally less expensive than ordering the same courses la carte. And the food may be more fresh (better availability) and quicker prepared.

Predefined package(d) (rather loaded) = less choice for the customer to personalize = more efficiency at the factory = lower production cost.
Exactly, the primary reason for less customization is More efficiency. Not sure that anyone has stopped to notice that there are far less choices than were available on the 1M.

BMW marketing says " it's purist " while BMW AG provides " Hobson's choice " and BMW manufacturing gets to minimize delays while making this vehicle. That sounds like a very high demand for efficiency. To me that means supply will be very limited and likely not much greater production than the 1M.

At this point I can't imagine the American market getting more than 900 -1000 M2 in a year.
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Not sure that anyone has stopped to notice that there are far less choices than were available on the 1M.
Don't confuse BMW NA's agenda with BMW's agenda as a whole. Most of the rest of the world have quite a lot of options to add.
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Not sure that anyone has stopped to notice that there are far less choices than were available on the 1M.
Don't confuse BMW NA's agenda with BMW's agenda as a whole. Most of the rest of the world have quite a lot of options to add.
I don't. It's been obvious for decades that BMW NA wants to funnel sales towards the 3 series...

However, Several other markets essentially also only get DCT and paint color as options. Since the US market will get a fair number of cars, I wonder if each markets option selection is reflected in manufacturing time ? If the US gets 1000 versus the UK getting 400..

As Artemis states.. Pre-prepared is "fresher" and " faster " than items with many ala carte items.
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I don't. It's been obvious for decades that BMW NA wants to funnel sales towards the 3 series...

However, Several other markets essentially also only get DCT and paint color as options. Since the US market will get a fair number of cars, I wonder if each markets option selection is reflected in manufacturing time ? If the US gets 1000 versus the UK getting 400..

As Artemis states.. Pre-prepared is "fresher" and " faster " than items with many ala carte items.
I don't think it is that the non-powered seats are that much further away in the factory that it would impact the manufacturing time of the car.

The way the factory is setup options shouldn't matter when it comes to production time of a single car. It might be easier to calculate logistics and ordering of new parts etc but actual production time is not impacted as all these options are exchangeable items (some are just coded and not even actual physical items). There is no added time to install these items over the other parts, it is just a matter of selecting the right item for the specific car and that is automated.
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