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      01-31-2015, 11:13 AM   #1
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M2 Flagship Car?

I don't know why, but I have this deep hope that this M2 becomes the new "Flagship" sports car! I know BMW is going to try and keep it off the heels of the M3/M4 with them being the traditional "flagship sports car, but does anyone else think that this new M2 could really be the new big thing with the roots of the M3? I cant be the only one!!!
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      01-31-2015, 11:17 AM   #2
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I'm not sure if BMW see the M6 as flagship? M2 could be the sportiest in the lineup and the purist for sure, here's hoping!!
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I have those thoughts as well...........hope it`s not all wishful thinking

The way I look at things;

- The 1M did set the bar pretty high
- The next car is always better than it`s predecessor
- There`s plenty competition ( Mercedes A45 AMG, Audi SR3)

So I would suggest; make a ///M-Power-full statement here, and do what has to be done.

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      01-31-2015, 01:32 PM   #4
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Nah, never gonna happen, ever.
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Flagships are typically the most expensive models and/or the best performing cars in the lineup. Definitely not going to happen.
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      01-31-2015, 05:28 PM   #6
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Some people only define performance by numbers... 0-60, Ring time, etc. If that is solely what one looks at a car, then most likely the M2 will not meet the M3 numbers. Many though care about other things like feel, sound, weight, involvement. In that case the M2 has the potential to be edgier than the M3/M4 and possibly capture the hearts of many.

The E90 had had more cylinders, power, 0-60 and many numbers better than 1M yet the 1M captured the hearts of many even though it had the more humble motor and many of the same parts.

Personally, I wanted an M3 since I was a young man. For many years I couldn't afford one. E30 came and went.. E36 came and went. When E46 came out I fell in love and missed it also. Finally I got to a point where I could get my dream car. I went for the M3 E90 which had all the clout and numbers but there was something missing.

Then when the little 1M came out, it brought back all the excitement, sound and fun that the earlier cars had. So the M2 will be designed to not surpass the M3's numbers but it has the potential simply because of it's size and weight to surpass it in involvement and fun. I truly hope it does because then we would end up with two great choices....the 4 door M3 or M2.
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The M2 will become the new enthusiast's flagship simply because the M3 has become too big. Just like the M3 never surpassed the M5's power, the M2's output will never surpass the M3's. But power/handling balance will be better on the 2 just like the 3's has always been better than the 5's. Let's just hope that BMW doesn't try to impede the passing of the baton by purposely neutering the M2's handling because of some stupid sentimentality about the "M3" badge. If they really care that much they should never have bloated the M3 to its current proportions. Personally I don't think they are that sentimental about it and do foresee the M2 becoming the lineup's driver's car.

The new BMW math:

M2 is the new M3,
M3 is the new M5,
M5 is some kind of "M" 7 series,
7 series is a 747
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A flagship is the top of the line from a manufacture.

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A flagship is the top of the line from a manufacture.

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No it`s not, it depends very much how you`ll define "flagship"

Let`s take some history lessons here;

In the 70-ties we had the 2002 Turbo, which car made history as the 1st production car with turbo, in fact the car was the "flagship" for BMW at that time.

The E30 M3 a decade later, the car that is living history as we speak, at the time it was the technical "flagship" at BMW. And it was not the most expensive Bimmer at the time.

So by no means we speak about most HP, most expensive, most luxury.......no not at all!

For a technical brand like BMW, "flagship" is IMHO more about technical know how, technical expertise, R&D, and how all this knowledge will see a production car, to confirm what the brand means, that re-defines the brand, makes the brand stronger than before, to be aware of it`s historical roots.

Now an M2, as 1st 2series ///M and succeeding the utterly famous 1M (talking about "flagship") has a a mighty responsibility!

The brand has to deliver, a new "flagship" so to speak !

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A flagship is the top of the line from a manufacture.

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No it`s not, it depends very much how you`ll define "flagship"

Let`s take some history lessons here;

In the 70-ties we had the 2002 Turbo, which car made history as the 1st production car with turbo, in fact the car was the "flagship" for BMW at that time.

The E30 M3 a decade later, the car that is living history as we speak, at the time it was the technical "flagship" at BMW. And it was not the most expensive Bimmer at the time.

So by no means we speak about most HP, most expensive, most luxury.......no not at all!

For a technical brand like BMW, "flagship" is IMHO more about technical know how, technical expertise, R&D, and how all this knowledge will see a production car, to confirm what the brand means, that re-defines the brand, makes the brand stronger than before, to be aware of it`s historical roots.

Now an M2, as 1st 2series ///M and succeeding the utterly famous 1M (talking about "flagship") has a a mighty responsibility!

The brand has to deliver, a new "flagship" so to speak !
M7/M8/M9/M10

"Flagship" is a car manufactures top shelf best, top of line brand leader. Period.

Some things will never change.

Welcome to 2015 !
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I think hero or cult car is getting confused with flagship. It may be a language thing but:-

Flagship i8/M6/M5
Cult cars 1M/M3
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It has to be a "language" thing indeed....

I have to apologize for my poor understanding what "flagships" means...

Thanks for new insight and learning moments
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noun
1.
a ship carrying the flag officer or the commander of a fleet, squadron, or the like, and displaying the officer's flag.
2.
the main vessel of a shipping line.
3.
any of the best or largest ships or airplanes operated by a passenger line.
4.
the best or most important one of a group or system:
This store is the flagship of our retail chain.
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"A flagship is a vessel used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships, reflecting the custom of its commander, characteristically a flag officer, flying a distinguishing flag. Used more loosely, it is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, typically the first, largest, fastest, most heavily armed, or best known."

I'd say the i8 is BMWs "flagship" right now.
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Flagship for BMW i-Brand, yes indeed !

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No worries mate ! It is just terminology, nothing more.

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It has to be a "language" thing indeed....

I have to apologize for my poor understanding what "flagships" means...

Thanks for new insight and learning moments
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In my country there was once, long ago, an admiral named Michiel Adriaansz de Ruiter.............famous all over the world for his naval genius and strategies.

He had non the less for many times not the best boats under his command, also his own ship was not the best ship in the Dutch naval fleet, though it was his flagship...............
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Well this thread derailed.
Anyway, get what you saying, won't be a flagship but may carry a cult status as well as be a preferred choice for enthusiasts looking for the new school of the old school.
As in someone looking for a new car to reminisce the e30 M3 or the like.
Also, during the 2002Turbo period the ultimate car to have would be the e9 3.0 CSL.
But for those who couldnt afford that, which was many many many people, they had the next best performer in terms of drivers car, the 2002 Turbo
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This would be a flagship:
  • M2 CSL
  • Keyless-Entry Standard
  • No A/C
  • No iDrive
  • No Radio/Loudspeekers
  • No Shark Antenna
  • No Head-Up-Display!!! (totally useless)
  • Oil Temp and Boost Gauge in Instrument Cluster
  • S55 Engine (not detuned) + M Performance Power Kit (470 PS)
  • Short Shift 6 MT
  • M Wide Body Kit (not JDM style)
  • Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires
  • Alcantara Upholstery with Contrast Stitching in Body Color
  • Lightweight Floor Mats
  • Lightweight Glass/Windows
  • Lightweight CF Front and Rear Seats (no roll cage)
  • CF Interior Trim
  • CF Interior Door and Rear Panels
  • CF Doors
  • CF Hood
  • CF Roof
  • CF Trunk
  • CF Front Lip
  • CF Rear Diffuser
  • CF Driveshaft
  • CF Side Mirror Covers
  • CF Strut-TOwer Brace
  • CF Engine Cover
  • CF Airbox
  • CF 19" Wheels (like i8) of M3/M4 Size
  • M Performance Titanium Exhaust with CF Tips (Akrapovic)
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  • Shadow-Line for: Window Trim, Side Gills, Kidney Grill, Mesh Grills, Wheel Centre
  • LED: Headlights, Taillights, Turn Signals, Brake Lights and Interior Lighting

But BMW has no balls.
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That would be perfect.
And $100,000.00 quite easily.
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This would be a flagship:
  • M2 CSL
  • Keyless-Entry Standard
  • No A/C
  • No iDrive
  • No Radio/Loudspeekers
  • No Shark Antenna
  • No Head-Up-Display!!! (totally useless)
  • Oil Temp and Boost Gauge in Instrument Cluster
  • S55 Engine (not detuned) + M Performance Power Kit (470 PS)
  • Short Shift 6 MT
  • M Wide Body Kit (not JDM style)
  • Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires
  • Alcantara Upholstery with Contrast Stitching in Body Color
  • Lightweight Floor Mats
  • Lightweight Glass/Windows
  • Lightweight CF Front and Rear Seats (no roll cage)
  • CF Interior Trim
  • CF Interior Door and Rear Panels
  • CF Doors
  • CF Hood
  • CF Roof
  • CF Trunk
  • CF Front Lip
  • CF Rear Diffuser
  • CF Driveshaft
  • CF Side Mirror Covers
  • CF Strut-TOwer Brace
  • CF Engine Cover
  • CF Airbox
  • CF 19" Wheels (like i8) of M3/M4 Size
  • M Performance Titanium Exhaust with CF Tips (Akrapovic)
  • M Performance Ceramic Brakes in Color of Contrast Stitching (Brembo)
  • M Performance Adjustable Coilovers (KW)
  • M Badges on: Steering Wheel, Shift Knob, Foot Rest, Instrument Cluster, Seats, Floor Mats, Door Sills, Side Gills, Wheels, Brake Calipers, Engine Cover, Exhaust Tips
  • Shadow-Line for: Window Trim, Side Gills, Kidney Grill, Mesh Grills, Wheel Centre
  • LED: Headlights, Taillights, Turn Signals, Brake Lights and Interior Lighting

But BMW has no balls.
You know people would buy it for sure....just not enough to make it a business proposition. Why keyless entry as standard though, removed every other luxury item but retained your favourite, goes to show everyone wants something different, I would prefer HUD even on a track car.
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Quote:
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This would be a flagship:
  • M2 CSL
  • Keyless-Entry Standard
  • No A/C
  • No iDrive
  • No Radio/Loudspeekers
  • No Shark Antenna
  • No Head-Up-Display!!! (totally useless)
  • Oil Temp and Boost Gauge in Instrument Cluster
  • S55 Engine (not detuned) + M Performance Power Kit (470 PS)
  • Short Shift 6 MT
  • M Wide Body Kit (not JDM style)
  • Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires
  • Alcantara Upholstery with Contrast Stitching in Body Color
  • Lightweight Floor Mats
  • Lightweight Glass/Windows
  • Lightweight CF Front and Rear Seats (no roll cage)
  • CF Interior Trim
  • CF Interior Door and Rear Panels
  • CF Doors
  • CF Hood
  • CF Roof
  • CF Trunk
  • CF Front Lip
  • CF Rear Diffuser
  • CF Driveshaft
  • CF Side Mirror Covers
  • CF Strut-TOwer Brace
  • CF Engine Cover
  • CF Airbox
  • CF 19" Wheels (like i8) of M3/M4 Size
  • M Performance Titanium Exhaust with CF Tips (Akrapovic)
  • M Performance Ceramic Brakes in Color of Contrast Stitching (Brembo)
  • M Performance Adjustable Coilovers (KW)
  • M Badges on: Steering Wheel, Shift Knob, Foot Rest, Instrument Cluster, Seats, Floor Mats, Door Sills, Side Gills, Wheels, Brake Calipers, Engine Cover, Exhaust Tips
  • Shadow-Line for: Window Trim, Side Gills, Kidney Grill, Mesh Grills, Wheel Centre
  • LED: Headlights, Taillights, Turn Signals, Brake Lights and Interior Lighting

But BMW has no balls.

we need you in M Division
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