VOA - BMW (Castrol) TPT 5W30 LL-01

2020M2Competition · 07-05-2021, 07:20 PM

Like the title states, I had a Virgin Oil Analysis done on the new (Castrol) BMW Twin Power Turbo 5W30 LL-01 and thought I would share the results

BMW Part Number 83 21 5 A2A F83

KevinC · 07-05-2021, 08:39 PM

How many miles on the car, and on this oil? Odd that Blackstone left those important numbers off the report.

nioh_lbbm2 · 07-05-2021, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinC

How many miles on the car, and on this oil? Odd that Blackstone left those important numbers off the report.

Read again.

VIRGIN oil analysis

KevinC · 07-05-2021, 10:40 PM

As in right out of the bottle, never even run? Yeah I didn't pick up on that.

edycol · 07-06-2021, 07:21 AM

Hmm no Titanium. That is signature additive of Castrol oils.
Good flash point. I wonder what is evaporation loss (Noack) considering flash point? Usually higher flash point indicates lower Noack.

windnsea00 · 07-06-2021, 10:36 AM

Did they go back to 5w30? Thought it was still 0w30.

2020M2Competition · 07-06-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by edycol

Hmm no Titanium. That is signature additive of Castrol oils.
Good flash point. I wonder what is evaporation loss (Noack) considering flash point? Usually higher flash point indicates lower Noack.

Obviously, this analysis only gives a partial picture about the qualities of the oil, but I noticed the same things

However, what surprised me the most was how thin the oil appeared when I poured it

It really did seem to behave more like water than oil

In any case, the relatively high flash point and zinc levels look pretty good to me so it might be a decent oil (but TBH I know very little about this stuff)

2020M2Competition · 07-06-2021, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by windnsea00

Did they go back to 5w30? Thought it was still 0w30.

This is a VOA of BMW's new 5W30 LL-01 oil

AFAIK, they are still recommending 0W30 LL-01 FE for most M2 applications

See the thread below for a VOA and discussion on BMW's new 0W30 LL-01 FE oil

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1818756

edycol · 07-06-2021, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020M2Competition

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Originally Posted by edycol

Hmm no Titanium. That is signature additive of Castrol oils.
Good flash point. I wonder what is evaporation loss (Noack) considering flash point? Usually higher flash point indicates lower Noack.

Obviously, this analysis only gives a partial picture about the qualities of the oil, but I noticed the same things

However, what surprised me the most was how thin the oil appeared when I poured it

It really did seem to behave more like water than oil

In any case, the relatively high flash point and zinc levels look pretty good to me so it might be a decent oil (but TBH I know very little about this stuff)

Castrol Edge 0W30, which is IMO their best product, is 11.67cst in VOA I have seen.
The question is whether BMW requested from Castrol particularly strong HTHS. Based on flash point I would say it has PAO unlike their Edge 5W30 A3.

sharpmoney · 07-09-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by edycol

Castrol Edge 0W30, which is IMO their best product, is 11.67cst in VOA I have seen.
The question is whether BMW requested from Castrol particularly strong HTHS. Based on flash point I would say it has PAO unlike their Edge 5W30 A3.

any chance this formula would be close in protection to the old shell version? does this have the edy approval for the best under warranty oil?

edycol · 07-09-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sharpmoney

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Originally Posted by edycol

Castrol Edge 0W30, which is IMO their best product, is 11.67cst in VOA I have seen.
The question is whether BMW requested from Castrol particularly strong HTHS. Based on flash point I would say it has PAO unlike their Edge 5W30 A3.

any chance this formula would be close in protection to the old shell version? does this have the edy approval for the best under warranty oil?

Lol.
Looks intriguing. More info is needed. There is very good Russian web site where they dissect these oils. Hopefully they take it under some more stringent testing. They can also determine composition.
This oil must be HTHS 3.5. The fact that KV100 is so low (thin) and HTHS robust, means some really good base stocks.
I say, go ahead

sharpmoney · 07-10-2021, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by edycol

Lol.
Looks intriguing. More info is needed. There is very good Russian web site where they dissect these oils. Hopefully they take it under some more stringent testing. They can also determine composition.
This oil must be HTHS 3.5. The fact that KV100 is so low (thin) and HTHS robust, means some really good base stocks.
I say, go ahead

i have a stage 1 tune, with carbahn matching warranty on an S55, and they said to make sure to use BMW TPT oil for them to honor it so i have been, plus dealer puts in FE for free maintenance. would there be any issues swapping back and forth between the 5w-30 (now that it is back) and the 0w-30 (use maybe 2000mi before swap) they put in?

edycol · 07-10-2021, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sharpmoney

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Originally Posted by edycol

Lol.
Looks intriguing. More info is needed. There is very good Russian web site where they dissect these oils. Hopefully they take it under some more stringent testing. They can also determine composition.
This oil must be HTHS 3.5. The fact that KV100 is so low (thin) and HTHS robust, means some really good base stocks.
I say, go ahead

i have a stage 1 tune, with carbahn matching warranty on an S55, and they said to make sure to use BMW TPT oil for them to honor it so i have been, plus dealer puts in FE for free maintenance. would there be any issues swapping back and forth between the 5w-30 (now that it is back) and the 0w-30 (use maybe 2000mi before swap) they put in?

Nah. Switching oils is fine.

PackPride85 · 07-10-2021, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 2020M2Competition

Like the title states, I had a Virgin Oil Analysis done on the new (Castrol) BMW Twin Power Turbo 5W30 LL-01 and thought I would share the results

BMW Part Number 83 21 5 A2A F83

Isn't that the same part number that was used for the original 5w-30 LL01 shell oil? How can you tell it's the new Castrol version?

edycol · 07-10-2021, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PackPride85

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Originally Posted by 2020M2Competition

Like the title states, I had a Virgin Oil Analysis done on the new (Castrol) BMW Twin Power Turbo 5W30 LL-01 and thought I would share the results

BMW Part Number 83 21 5 A2A F83

Isn't that the same part number that was used for the original 5w-30 LL01 shell oil? How can you tell it's the new Castrol version?

It has different labeling in the back. I think Castrol sourced has white letters and obviously it doesn't say SOPUS.

sharpmoney · 07-10-2021, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sharpmoney

any chance this formula would be close in protection to the old shell version? does this have the edy approval for the best under warranty oil?

will definitely get flamed by edy for this, but asked fcp to "source" the 5w-30 oil...only to get this response:

"Unfortunately, I have received word from my catalog team that we are unable to source the 83 21 5 A2A F83 fluid through our supply chain."

i understand why BMW would want to shove FE oils on the consumer, but what benefit would it be for a company like fcp to not carry the LL-01 5w version. so they could sell more made in germany liqui moly?

sharpmoney · 07-10-2021, 02:22 PM

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...w/83215a2af83/

wonder why ecstuning says "no longer available", didn't this version just come out?

2020M2Competition · 07-10-2021, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PackPride85

Isn't that the same part number that was used for the original 5w-30 LL01 shell oil? How can you tell it's the new Castrol version?

No

Old Part Number

83 21 2 365 946

New Part Number

83 21 5 A2A F83

2020M2Competition · 07-10-2021, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by edycol

It has different labeling in the back. I think Castrol sourced has white letters and obviously it doesn't say SOPUS.

Pic of Back Label

edycol · 07-10-2021, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020M2Competition

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Originally Posted by edycol

It has different labeling in the back. I think Castrol sourced has white letters and obviously it doesn't say SOPUS.

Pic of Back Label

Yep, Castrol.

sharpmoney · 07-10-2021, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by edycol

Yep, Castrol.

last one, would you go with this castrol tpt 5w-30 or the motul xcess gen 2 5w-40? ("light" tune stage 1 S55)

edycol · 07-11-2021, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by edycol

Yep, Castrol.

last one, would you go with this castrol tpt 5w-30 or the motul xcess gen 2 5w-40? ("light" tune stage 1 S55)

5W40. With tune you want bit more HTHS,

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