View Poll Results: What is your exhaust setup & are you experiencing the raspy "tin can" noise issue? | |||
EL mid pipe (non-res) / stock axleback / no issue | 3 | 5.88% | |
EL mid pipe (non-res) / stock axleback / yes, my car has the same issue! | 16 | 31.37% | |
EL mid pipe (res) / stock axleback / no issue | 5 | 9.80% | |
EL mid pipe (res) / stock axleback / yes, my car has the same issue! | 3 | 5.88% | |
EL mid pipe (non-res) / aftermarket axleback / no issue | 6 | 11.76% | |
EL mid pipe (non-res) / aftermarket axleback / yes, my car has the same issue! | 7 | 13.73% | |
EL mid pipe (res) / aftermarket axleback / no issue | 4 | 7.84% | |
EL mid pipe (res) / aftermarket axleback / yes, my car has the same issue! | 7 | 13.73% | |
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07-01-2021, 12:00 PM | #45 |
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In your case , all you have to do is disable cold start
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Holmes870 pawelczyk7 zjldmd since you three are the only ones who voted as not having experienced this same raspy noise issue on your own cars, I'm curious which aftermarket muffler each of you are running with the EL mid pipe?
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Mike - can you please do us all a favor and possibly ask someone from Active to chime in and provide some sort of official response on this thread? It's not fair to you to have to be stuck in the middle of this fiasco as you're just the vendor in this case (one of the actual good ones I might add) and have no control over their products nor how they're manufactured. Thanks
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And it 100% happens in all modes on cold start, within the first few minutes. FYI to all, I'd like to say that Mike has been awesome, his company is great to deal with, this is certainly not an attack on him or XPH. |
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After waiting since March for this EL midpipe and now hearing all these issues and the latest recommendation, this is really pretty poor.
I'm scheduled to have the EL non-res and Remus Race installed on Tuesday. Rather not try and install it and incur labors costs if its going to have any of these issues (not to mention subsequent labor to correct, replace parts, swap back to stock) and sucks that I got rid of the box as I have no space at my place right now otherwise it'd be going right back. Knowing there's issues here, will AA take back the EL pipes or allow for exchange w/ the single pipe? |
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I just called AA and spoke with them for about 10min on the topic. This is what they told me.
Currently, they do not have any fix for this and the unfortunate thing is they suggest we just let the car idle until the tone dissipates. They seem to think the raspy sound is more prevalent on the F87 platform due to the shorter overall exhaust piping. They said they do tune out cold start but it's nothing they can do remotely nor is it through bootmod3. Even though they recommend non-resonated for stock downpipe, they think adding resonators won't really solve the issue as it's still pointing back to the cold-start that's on the ECU. I mentioned how I might hear a faint raspy tone after driving around warmed up but it's not repeatable often and he thinks the resonators might help with that but isn't confident. From my end of things, I did turn the GTS startup roar OFF which makes it a bit less embarrassing. I still might just default the exhaust valves to OEM instead of open all the time to see if that helps. Seems like we're all stuck with this for the time being unless some superstar here can figure out a fix.
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It's funny how times change.
E46 M3's had raspy exhausts and when I had AA on my E46 it was the raspiest of all and I loved it. Most the exhausts for M2C sound like garbage to me, can't wait to get the EL on my car and get a little rasp in my life.
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Y'all with issues once its warm are making me wonder if I am hearing the same things you're hearing and I just don't mind it.
There are definitely unpleasent sounds to my ears at times but 99.9% of them are only for first few mins after a cold start. To me that makes them a non-issue. |
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Turned cat warming off on DME (since I'm a '19) and now it's quiet on start in efficient. Now it's livable for me. Not the ideal fix, but good enough for me.
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i also posted some light pull vids on the AA Equal length ( stock muffler and downpipes ) feed a few days ago
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Sounded great warm
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The good news is, since this is a very prevailing issue mustering a lot of noise, AA will undoubtedly address it since they are a stand up organization...which ultimately will result in more orders for both the vendors and manufacturer. Case in point: there is an AA EL for sale in the classifieds, and no-one is jumping on it. Had this come available earlier in the year (before this issue has risen) many of us here on this forum would have bought it (due to superlative initial batch success and current long wait-time). Quote:
1. tinny/raspy noise occurs at cold start-up and around 2k RPM 2. NOTE: the tinny/raspy noise doesn’t happen EVERY COLD START nor EVERY TIME RPMs hit ~2k… a. to me at least, while in 1st gear and clutched in (I’m 6sp), or in neutral, and revving past 2k RPM: approx.. 70% of the time the noise occurs b. so this isn’t 100% repeatable…about 30% of the use cases, all sounds fantastic. Understanding why this doesn't occur 100% on all cold starts and every time the RPMs hit 2k, might lead to a timely resolution. 3. occurring on cold engines and also on warm engines. I have experienced some cold starts that were quite nice...just as expected. Only yesterday, I was with the family doing a Costco run…the startup sounded like someone fired a 22 caliber pistol. Scared the crap out of my family…wife even asked: is that normal, what's wrong with your car??? 4. most users reported setups using stock downpipes and stock back muffler, but also on a few aftermarket mufflers, 1-2 owners even using AA’s own valved exhaust a. most users are AA EL non-resonated, but some resonated ELs also reported same issue 5. This is 100% true all the time: Sport+ or Sport modes automatically engage the tinny/raspy sound around 2k RPMs (have not experienced it in efficient mode…and seriously, why would I drive in efficient to further gag the car’s noises???) 6. BOTH under load (i.e. starting off from a red light) and stationary revs And last question...it seems that the most recent AA EL mid-pipes have a different design or build than the original one. Can anyone comment what changed?
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Sounds better once the valves open up... I wish I took videos. I noticed the CS keeps the valves closed for a few minutes even in sport+ during the cold start sequence. In my m4 the valves opened up as soon as I hit the gas in sport+ even if it was still cold.
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Mike@x-ph.com and ONLYACTIVE …
I am certain that I speak for the majority of EL owners here; we are NOT directing our less-than-friendly comments at either of you…clearly we realize that this tinny/raspy noise wasn't created on purpose. We are simply voicing our disappointment that, after waiting solid few months for the AA EL midpipe, the resulting exhaust setup doesn't sound like the test vehicles or the original batches we heard earlier, or in some instance, it sounds worse than OEM setup (i.e. it doesn't live up to the hype…YET!!!). Mike@x-ph & Active Autowerks: you guys consistently deliver and support our mod craze, and we are grateful for that….so we would appreciate any continued dialogue in arriving to rapid resolution. To that end, a lot of us have been providing data points and use cases that might lead to the culprit…so advise what else we can do to assist! Cheers!!
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