[grant]

Originally Posted by Devon K

Would not count on that. From p.9-5 ff. of the owner's manual:

A lot of prep work for a few laps of a track!

It's really not (people who track bleed brakes, change pads, and change oil frequently anyways) - and once you have the track brake fluid and oil in the car, there is no need to revert back (unless the weather gets very cold, for the engine oil).

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by Devon K

A lot of prep work for a few laps of a track!

I disagree. This is track prep 101 stuff. Tracking with stale brake fluid or without bedding pads is a mistake and dangerous regardless of the car. Putting this in the owners manual is designed to do one thing: keep newbies out of the wall.

The oil seems perhaps the only thing they might void your warranty for, but again it's 101 stuff to keep it topped and run track weight; Porsche has been recommending different oils depending on temperature/ usage for years.

Finally the alignment recommendations are simply good practice to reduce tire wear, and suggested "if equipped with the Z51 package" only, but nice of them to suggest a good setting that doesn't chew up the tires.

This is all good practice. If it seems like a lot of work I'd suggest using a track prep checklist, such as the following, before your next event: http://www.dirte30.com/checklist.pdf

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

+1 - I do like how my M235 looks, but the back end, generally, could be more aggressive. I think a "tighter" butt and some wider flares in the fenders will make the M2 just about perfect.



I LOVE the orange. If they make something like this, I will get it in that color.



Definitely.

my biggest disappointment with the M235 is the rear as well. It's not HORRIBLE... but... it's just there.
kinda like comparing Miley Cyrus' rear end to J-LO's . One evokes EMOTION... the other .. not as much.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Wilson

No way will the M2 be competing with the RS3.

The M2 will be competing with the A / CLA 45 and the S3 Plus and Golf R Evo / Plus, which will be running the 2.0 Lt I4 with 375 hp and close to 475 Nm.

I understand there are a lot of passionate posters here on 2 who would all love to see the M2 with an I6, but deep down we all know it is a foregone conclusion that it will be an I4.

There is a new breed of buyer out there, and they are hungry for high performance 2.0 Lt I4's, and if BMW doesn't get on the bandwagon they will be left behind. They have to have a product available to entice a prospective buyer into the BMW fold, else they risk losing that person forever to AMG / Audi / VW. The idea being that they can get that person into the entry level M car, being the M2, and then develop them over time as buyers of M3/4, M5/6, and retain that person as an M faithful.

With regard to the next RS3, that is going to be something entirely different, it will most likely compete with the M3/4 for straight line speed and track times, the 2.5 Lt I5 is going to have over 400 hp and close to 500 Nm, so the I4 in the M2 isn't even going to come close.

looks like the CLA45 with it's turbo motor currently spanks the I6... even with a weight disadvantage..

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=967581


0-60 in 4.6 for the 1555 Kg CLA vs 0-60 in 5.0 for the 1530 kg M235...

Also of note... the Cayman will be coming out with a 4 cyl turbo....

[BEM-S4]

I admittedly didn't read through all 28 pages so this may have been addressed, but how real are those 0-60 numbers? Feel like the 235 is high based on what I've read. Just curious, the FWD bias of the AMG scares me and I am not a fan of its looks (just me) even though I had one on order. Then had an S3 on order, cancelled that too and waiting for the 235 to get on a boat just finished today.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

looks like the CLA45 with it's turbo motor currently spanks the I6... even with a weight disadvantage..

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=967581


0-60 in 4.6 for the 1555 Kg CLA vs 0-60 in 5.0 for the 1530 kg M235...

Also of note... the Cayman will be coming out with a 4 cyl turbo....

The CLA 45 is a monster. No question about it, but looking at 0-60 times when one car is AWD and the other is RWD is a tough comparison. It's like looking only at 60' times at the drag strip. I have no doubt the CLA 45 will beat the M235i to 100 MPH as well, but we haven't event seen full specs on the M2 yet. I wouldn't bet on BMW leaving the CLA 45 out front on the instrumented tests.

[SuitedUp]

Also, is that really spanking? Especially when I've heard 4.8 for the 235. I assume they tested MT?

[Devon K]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

This is track prep 101 stuff....
This is all good practice.

No doubt, but that does not mean it's not a lot of work to set up/tear down, especially if you live in a condo with strict rules banning any self-maintenance beyond topping up your windshield washer liquid. And if you live in a variable-climate area then running race oil on the street is hardly viable except for maybe 2-3 months a year. Driving with a track alignment on the street is likely going to be a very expensive proposition (faster tire wear) - and perhaps dangerous if you go past a certain level of uneven tire wear. Taking those clips on and off the brake rotors will require removing the wheels twice for every track day. Adds up. YMMY.

[Dackelone]

^^^Guys can we please try to stay on TOPIC here!

Lets keep talking about the M2 please.

[templarklimek]

Gents, link to more M2 info:



http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-m2.html

A new report finds BMW will launch a range-topping, M-tuned variant of the new 2-Series coupe in 2016. The car will likely be christened M2, a name that BMW trademarked in Germany nearly three years ago.

Billed as the successor to the well-regarded 1-Series M, the M2 will gain a full body kit inspired by the track-only M235i Racing (pictured) that was unveiled recently. Expect a highly-sculpted front bumper, a buldged hood, fender flares, side skirts and a trunk-mounted spoiler to be part of the package. An air diffuser with four exhaust tips will complete the muscular look.

BMW will tap into its carbon fiber expertise in order to lower the car's weight and improve efficiency, agility and performance. Although the M2 will unmistakably look like a member of the 2-Series family when viewed from the outside, it will ride on a heavily-modified chassis packed with technology gleaned from the recently-launched M3/M4 duo.

Staying in line with the rest of BMW's M-badged lineup, the M2 will boast a sport-focused interior with bucket seats for the front passengers, a M-specific instrument cluster, a sport steering wheel and available carbon fiber trim on the dashboard.

Official technical details are not available but rumors indicate the M2 will be powered by a twin-turbocharged variant of the 3.0-liter straight-six found under the hood of the M235i. The turbo-six will reportedly send anywhere between 380 and 400 horsepower to the rear wheels via either an eight-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual unit, enabling the M2 to reach 60 mph from a stop in a little over four seconds.

All models regardless of transmission type will come standard with an electronic limited-slip differential.

Look for official details about the 2016 M2 to emerge over the coming year. When it lands in showrooms, the smallest member of BMW's M lineup will retail for approximately $55,000.

Unlike the aforementioned 1-Series M, the M2 is expected to bow as a regular-production model that will be readily available all around the globe.

[Devon K]

^ Thanks for the updated info/rumour. Delivered as promised, it sounds like a knockout. Being a regular production vehicle should preclude dealer price scalping at least after initial pent-up demand is met.

Presumably it will get the new rev-matching manual from the M3/M4 as well. Love to see it come in at 3100 lbs...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Devon K

^ Thanks for the updated info/rumour. Delivered as promised, it sounds like a knockout. Presumably it will get the new rev-matching manual from the M3/M4 as well. Love to see it come in at 3100 lbs...

[sdpauly]

A bit disappointing they are going with a tuned N55 instead of the M4 (S55) powertrain. Hardly a surprise, I suppose, but disappointing nonetheless. I may be looking elsewhere anyway, 2016 is a long way off and I was planning to buy my next car sooner than that.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

A bit disappointing they are going with a tuned N55 instead of the M4 (S55) powertrain. Hardly a surprise, I suppose, but disappointing nonetheless. I may be looking elsewhere anyway, 2016 is a long way off and I was planning to buy my next car sooner than that.

I don't know that the info above says exactly that - the S55 is truly a variant of the N55, because it is not a bespoke engine either.

With that being said, my guess is that the M2 WON'T get the S55...this way BMW can keep costs lower and still have the "upmarket" card to play for the M3/4...

Just my $.02...

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I don't know that the info above says exactly that - the S55 is truly a variant of the N55, because it is not a bespoke engine either.

With that being said, my guess is that the M2 WON'T get the S55...this way BMW can keep costs lower and still have the "upmarket" card to play for the M3/4...

Just my $.02...

My understanding is that the S55 is a completely different motor from the N55. The IC is in a different location and I believe it has some forged internals and additional oil cooling, etc...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

My understanding is that the S55 is a completely different motor from the N55. The IC is in a different location and I believe it has some forged internals and additional oil cooling, etc...

Different yes, based on the N55, also yes. They began with an N55 and made significant upgrades to it.

That doesn't however, make it a bespoke engine such as the S65, which was built from the ground up by the M division.

More than happy to eat crow if I am wrong, but that's the last general understanding that I had...

[rca06Mcoupe]

Last March (2013) the same author reported that the M2 would be coming with a hybrid engine, which would be then shared with the new Z4.

[Dackelone]

The next M2 will have a six, and only ONE turbo. It will be a version of the N55 - trust me guys.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

The next M2 will have a six, and only ONE turbo. It will be a version of the N55 - trust me guys.

I know you know...how much horsepower?

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

I know you know...how much horsepower?

North of 370 Hp(maybe 380ish), so I am told.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

North of 370 Hp(maybe 380ish), so I am told.

makes sense and sounds good. 370 torque maybe? Any idea on target weight?

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

makes sense and sounds good. 370 torque maybe? Any idea on target weight?

I think if you look at the F8x program you can make a educated guess as to the weight savings from use of cf thruout the car.