[JeffyD]

If it winds up being another "planned limited" production model, and carries the $10-20k dealer markups that come along with that, I don't want to have lusted over it for years beforehand... What a gamble!

If it turns out to be produced in numbers that don't screw over the consumer at the transaction, I'd consider selling a car or two, and using my one and only coupon allowing me to buy a car new, and specially ordered. Make it an occasion, and whatnot.

I just hope it fills the shoes it's going to be stepping into. The N55 is an awesome motor. S this or M and N that, doesn't really concern me so long as what is being delivered makes the grade as a complete package. I think that the 2 series is already kind of comically styled - very "swollen," and kinda like how the 1M is. So an M2 might be too much. Or just enough?

Whatever. Point - I hope it looks good, is well specc'd, is priced reasonably, and isn't limited the way it's predecessor was. Seriously. Otherwise there's no point for me to care about it. Oh, and at least one of these: Estoril, Le Mans, Interlagos, Valencia.... Or bring back Technoviolet in a big way! That'd be too irresistible for me to talk myself out of.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by JeffyD

If it winds up being another "planned limited" production model, and carries the $10-20k dealer markups that come along with that, I don't want to have lusted over it for years beforehand... What a gamble!

If it turns out to be produced in numbers that don't screw over the consumer at the transaction, I'd consider selling a car or two, and using my one and only coupon allowing me to buy a car new, and specially ordered. Make it an occasion, and whatnot.

I just hope it fills the shoes it's going to be stepping into. The N55 is an awesome motor. S this or M and N that, doesn't really concern me so long as what is being delivered makes the grade as a complete package. I think that the 2 series is already kind of comically styled - very "swollen," and kinda like how the 1M is. So an M2 might be too much. Or just enough?

Whatever. Point - I hope it looks good, is well specc'd, is priced reasonably, and isn't limited the way it's predecessor was. Seriously. Otherwise there's no point for me to care about it. Oh, and at least one of these: Estoril, Le Mans, Interlagos, Valencia.... Or bring back Technoviolet in a big way! That'd be too irresistible for me to talk myself out of.

Never owned an M car with an S motor huh? If you have, you don't get what a real M car is about.

T

[Purple88Gold]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Never owned an M car with an S motor huh? If you have, you don't get what a real M car is about.

T

You sound like a pompous, all-knowing prick.

[Delnari]

I remember when "M" was such a great moniker for the BMW cars. If you wanted a true race inspired car the M was the only car you looked for. Now with the M performance package being offered on just about any BMW car or SUV it truly loss its mystique with the brand. The "M" car is a purpose built car with everything done to achieve that true experience. Putting on a bunch of performance parts on (factory or otherwise) does not make a M car make.

So, if you want a "M" edition of the 2 Series wait for the real deal. If you want a nice, fast, smaller chassis BMW, with nice performance then buy the M235i! Just don't try and compare the two. They are not the same thing.

I traded my 2006 335i a few years ago in on a new Subaru WRX and threw a bunch of performance parts on it. Yes, it is quicker than my old 335i with Dinan S2, and even more fun to drive, but it is not a real performance sports car. I'm okay with that. If I want to go to a real sports car I will look at the latest M cars and see, but for me now, a performance oriented car is just fine. I think most BMW enthusiast will love the M235i and not be disappointed. The track junkie would not.

[Wilson]

Very true Delnari, they have diluted the value of an M by spreading it thinly across every model, but BMW M aren't chasing the enthusiast anymore, they know they can sell more cars by appealing to the great unwashed. However, all manufacturers are doing it now, its the latest fashion trend to have a 'badged' car.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Purple88Gold

You sound like a pompous, all-knowing prick.

Sorry I didn't state it as eloquently as delnari.

I still stand behind my assumptions.

T

[Delnari]

When I wrote my previous post I was just looking at the M235i. Now I have one in my driveway, and the WRX is done. Happy I did it! Will love my new 2 for as long as I can. When and if the M2 does come out, I will be in the dealership putting my order in with the rest of the "M" junkies. Until then I will be just fine.

[jocamryn]

You all seen this yet?
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963023

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by jocamryn

You all seen this yet?
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963023

Yes sir - it has been in a couple of other places, but no reason not to spread the eye candy around.

If they make one that looks like that, my god...they will sell so many

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by jocamryn

You all seen this yet?
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963023

I might as well post that M2 render here too.

[Gaviin]

I dunno, maybe it's the angle of the photo or the weird color/lighting, but that doesn't look all that enticing to me.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Gaviin

I dunno, maybe it's the angle of the photo or the weird color/lighting, but that doesn't look all that enticing to me.

I think it's the color. But I do think it would look better w a bit of a fender flare up front. Looks unbalanced somehow. Also with the black roof, orange rails and angle looks a little M-coupe-ish but that's def angle of photo. But I'm picking nits I'd take one as is for sure.

[bradleyland]

That render looks pretty awesome, but I can't help but think they got the fender vents wrong. The 1M had the "gill" style vents, and the M3/4 has followed suit.

This author did get the M4 pretty damn close though:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=783484

[vasmir]

Originally Posted by jocamryn

You all seen this yet?
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=963023

Those fender flares solve my problem with the 2 series current rear quarter.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Gaviin

I dunno, maybe it's the angle of the photo or the weird color/lighting, but that doesn't look all that enticing to me.

Complete opposite for me. I think it's an amazing PS and have been looking at it everyday for over a week now. I would gladly add that to my E92 M3 and call it a day!

... and in that orange too. That would be amazing.

[Black Flagged]

Originally Posted by W///

Complete opposite for me. I think it's an amazing PS and have been looking at it everyday for over a week now. I would gladly add that to my E92 M3 and call it a day!

... and in that orange too. That would be amazing.

I agree with you.. Looks awesome with that color! It POPS and add some mods to it! Stellar

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Delnari

When I wrote my previous post I was just looking at the M235i. Now I have one in my driveway, and the WRX is done. Happy I did it! Will love my new 2 for as long as I can. When and if the M2 does come out, I will be in the dealership putting my order in with the rest of the "M" junkies. Until then I will be just fine.

congrats on the new car.... 2 year lease for the win!

[Pete_vB]

It's a bit of a shame that BMW seems to have lost its nerve re the 4 cylinder M2.

@Scott26 , here's my request list for the engine, if anyone back home is asking:

We make a big deal out of how many cylinders an engine's got, but honestly it's not high on my list. Things like engine power to weight ratio, power delivery, and durability are all far higher. So:

1. A high power to weight ratio motor is at the heart of nearly every great car. Take the E30 M3's 4 cylinder- not a huge powerhouse, but its great power to weight ratio (for its time) led to a spectacular car. At the other extreme, the BMW sourced V12 made the McLaren F1. Without that engine's 1.07 hp per pound, extreme for the time, that car simply wouldn't be what it is. Both motors are proof that BMW can build great motors when it wants to, however I'll suggest some of their recent efforts have been underwhelming. A decade and a half after the F1 and the M3 V8's S65 was below 1:1, and the 1M's N54 was even worse. The M3's new, "lighter" S55 Turbo 6- it's 1:1 even. Meanwhile an "antiquated" normally aspirated pushrod V8 in the new Z28 handily beats it at 1.12, and just for perspective Porsche shows what's possible, pushing 2 hp per pound out of its new V8 Spider motor.

So I'd ask the guys put a little extra money into the motor rather than the gizmos, and use it to lose some weight. I'd personally much rather see a 350 hp 4 cylinder at 1.2:1 than a 400 hp 6 at 1:1- the 110 pounds saved would pay huge dynamic dividends. I worry that by going the 6 cylinder route the new M2 motor won't be a standout on this critical score.

2. Even more important than weight is power delivery. It's the main reason I'm concerned with the "turbo only" direction of BMW- as good as they're getting, no street turbo motor has normally aspirated response... yet. Could they? Yes, and when electric hybrid turbos make their way from F1 then perhaps they will, but please hurry this up because so far they definitely don't, and it's an issue.

3. Durability is the final request on my list. Chevrolet is standing behind their Vette with a warranty that extends to track use. Porsche is doing the same with the GT3. I'd like to see BMW answer in kind, which would mean building a motor with plenty of margin for hard use- no more popped charge pipes please; it's embarrassing.

That's it- give us a light, durable and responsive motor and I'll personally be happy, regardless of cylinder count, because it will make the foundation of a great car regardless.

PS- there are still bonus points if it's normally aspirated. Efficiency, I know... but if the Vette is getting 29 mpg highway from a pushrod lump, and a normally aspirated Prius motor holds the outright efficiency record for gasoline engines, you might as the guys in Munich what they're doing with their days. $.02

[Devon K]

^ GM may warranty the C7 track driving but that warranty will certainly require the owner to follow specified prep for tracking - and according to the car's manual, the prep required even for the Z51 "track package" is extensive: changing the brake fluid, and installing some additional hardware on the brake system at each wheel (some sort of disc that you get in your trunk when you get the car delivered). Hardly convenient.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by vasmir

Those fender flares solve my problem with the 2 series current rear quarter.

+1 - I do like how my M235 looks, but the back end, generally, could be more aggressive. I think a "tighter" butt and some wider flares in the fenders will make the M2 just about perfect.

Originally Posted by W///

Complete opposite for me. I think it's an amazing PS and have been looking at it everyday for over a week now. I would gladly add that to my E92 M3 and call it a day!

... and in that orange too. That would be amazing.

I LOVE the orange. If they make something like this, I will get it in that color.

Originally Posted by Gangsta D

I agree with you.. Looks awesome with that color! It POPS and add some mods to it! Stellar

Definitely.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by Devon K

^ GM may warranty the C7 track driving but that warranty will certainly require the owner to follow specified prep for tracking - and according to the car's manual, the prep required even for the Z51 "track package" is extensive: changing the brake fluid, and installing some additional hardware on the brake system at each wheel (some sort of disc that you get in your trunk when you get the car delivered). Hardly convenient.

This is clearly "recommended", not required, and frankly most of this would be for any tracked car. Failure to follow this isn't going to void your warranty:

Originally Posted by Corvette track prep manual

Rotor cooling rings (provided at the time of vehicle delivery in a clear plastic bag) are recommended for track use (driving without the rotor cooling rings may result in brake pedal fade). Do not leave them installed after a track event, as this may cause corrosion with long-term use.

The above is an air block-off plate to get more cooling air through the rotor, and honestly if you track regularly you might as well leave it installed- your rotors are not going to last long enough to worry about rusting away. They also offer recommended track alignment settings, tire pressures, etc. We should be so lucky. In Germany they've got the autobahn outside their back door, but here in the US the track is virtually to only place to use these cars to the limit. Yet the moment you do, you void your warranty. Both GM and Porsche have realized that's a serious issue. For it's sportiest M cars BMW would do well to follow their lead.

[Devon K]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

This is clearly "recommended", not required, and frankly most of this would be for any tracked car. Failure to follow this isn't going to void your warranty:

Would not count on that. From p.9-5 ff. of the owner's manual:

Participating in track events or other
competitive driving without following
the instructions provided may affect
the vehicle warranty....

Because engine oil temperatures
will be higher, it is necessary to use
a higher viscosity engine oil for
racing or other competitive driving....

Replace existing brake fluid with a
qualified high performance brake
fluid from a sealed container....

racing and competitive driving
wheel alignment settings should be
set as follows:....

New brake pads must be burnished
before racing or other competitive
driving.

A lot of prep work for a few laps of a track!