[The Automotive Enthusiast]

LED Taillights is all I ask for, but I now it's not going to happen.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Bam226

Those with M car experience, is it a good DD or something for track mostly? Just thinking maybe the 235i may be better for DD use. Let me know some thoughts...

That's the beauty of an M car. They're both usable day to day, and you can take them out on the track, and when you're done, drive it back home.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Bam226

Any prices been thrown around for this car yet? Specked m235i is close to 50 so I was thinking 60.

I'm thinking the same price as an e92 M3.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

LED Taillights is all I ask for, but I now it's not going to happen.

Even the new facelifted X3 doesn't have LED brake lights or blinkers.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Depends on your tolerances. They are aggressive cars made for the ability to DD and are about as good as it gets for track worthy while able to daily.

The E92 M3 was.. interesting. The motor was not great for daily driving, but the entire rest of the car was. I found it an odd mix in everyday driving. But because the new motors are turbo and relatively friendly in their power delivery, I am thinking any new M car is better suited as a daily driver more than anything. I'd wait for the M2.

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Not to be too direct, but you're probably correct. Since making the 5er a softer, less engaging car, sales have soared. Since making the 3er larger, softer and more expensive, sales have soared, both in the US and ROW.

BMW M has a bigger opportunity now, they can utilize weight savings and more feedback to improve on the current cars. The F10 M5 didn't really see this, but the F8x M cars are lighter than the F3x that they're based on and the F2x too.

I'd rather see a lighter M2, focused on handling and feedback than just an M235i with a standard LSD, 40-50 more hp and more weight. That's nothing that you couldn't just achieve with aftermarket bits now.

The extreme increases in profits from all of their fat, heavy, boring vehicles might allow some business cases from the engineers at M to be pushed through to capture niche markets. So while most of us are no longer the primary customer of BMW, we might just see some interesting stuff come down the line. Won't be cheap, though.

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

I'm thinking the same price as an e92 M3.

That would be too expensive. Considering the 2011 1M was $46k, I would hope maybe $5k more than that, due to inflation and more R&D.

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by momo3605

That would be too expensive. Considering the 2011 1M was $46k, I would hope maybe $5k more than that, due to inflation and more R&D.

There was no place, anywhere, where you could buy a 2011 1M for $46k. A 135i yes, a 1M no. In my neighborbood, dealer had it marked for $59k and I believe they sold them for close to that.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by momo3605

That would be too expensive. Considering the 2011 1M was $46k, I would hope maybe $5k more than that, due to inflation and more R&D.

I can see it getting into the mid to high 60's easy(Loaded).

[Ayrton91]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

I can see it getting into the mid to high 60's easy(Loaded).

Base MSRP for an M4 is 65K (60K for ED). So, I'd say a base M2 should be in the 55K (hopefully 50K for ED) range.

[IEDEI]

is predict $52-54k. I don't think BMW will intend to overstep into M3/M4 territory.

[dmboone25]

Given the 1M coming in at 47k bare bones, and the M235 is 44K, you would have to guess that 51-52 is the bare minimum that they would start at...

Hopefully it doesn't go much higher than that, but 55 with destination and heated seats would be my guess...

[Ramos]

The R&D cost of the 4 cylinder they're developing is being shared with the X1M according to Scott26

That should mean that prices should not be much higher than the 1M adjusted for inflation.. I think 49-50 base

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by Ramos

The R&D cost of the 4 cylinder they're developing is being shared with the X1M according to Scott26

Every time I hear this, I cry a little bit inside. RIP straight 6

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

Every time I hear this, I cry a little bit inside. RIP straight 6

haha...same here. but i'm going to give this idea a chance and see what they come up with. no matter what though....i'm still a bit disappointed by the lack of a 6.

[bimmer4life24]

The M2 is going to be made to compete with the Benz CLA AMG and RS3. As we already know, the CLA starts at $48k. The 1M started at $47k. I see the M2 starting no more than $49k-$50k range. $5k-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense.

There's no way it will start around the $55k+ range. BMW would lose a lot of market if that were to be the case and they are smarter than that.

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

The M2 is going to be made to compete with the Benz CLA AMG and RS3. As we already know, the CLA starts at $48k. The 1M started at $47k. I see the M2 starting no more than $49k-$50k range. $5k-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense.

There's no way it will start around the $55k+ range. BMW would lose a lot of market if that were to be the case and they are smarter than that.

Up until I started reading this thread, I was fully planning for the M2 to be my next car. I would buy an S55 powered M2 even if it was more expensive than the M4.

Now I will have to start considering other options. No way will I be spending M coin on a 4 cylinder. And screw the X1M, I never understood the point of performance SUVs...

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

The M2 is going to be made to compete with the Benz CLA AMG and RS3. As we already know, the CLA starts at $48k. The 1M started at $47k. I see the M2 starting no more than $49k-$50k range. $5k-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense.

There's no way it will start around the $55k+ range. BMW would lose a lot of market if that were to be the case and they are smarter than that.

Yup, exactly. We know the M3 starts at $62k with leather and navigation. The M2 will definitely not have nav and probably no leather either (standard). This means that if the M2 is priced at $55k it will be way too close to the M3 starting price. I think $50k would be perfect, but it could go as high as 52-53k.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

Up until I started reading this thread, I was fully planning for the M2 to be my next car. I would buy an S55 powered M2 even if it was more expensive than the M4.

Now I will have to start considering other options. No way will I be spending M coin on a 4 cylinder. And screw the X1M, I never understood the point of performance SUVs...

The 4 cylinder would make an even bigger case for the car starting around $49k. I'm still hoping this is a rumor and they will stick with 6.

[BMWJS]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

The 4 cylinder would make an even bigger case for the car starting around $49k. I'm still hoping this is a rumor and they will stick with 6.

Nearly every article on the internet that refers to the M2 engine suggests it will be a detuned version of the S55 or a tuned version of the N55. I have seen 2 references to BMW insiders in Las Vegas hinting at a 6 cylinder. Although @Scott26 provides plenty of good information, I hope that he is not right about a potential 4 cylinder and that the M engineers are moving forward with a 6. Unless there is official confirmation to the contrary, I'm planning on being one of the first to buy a 6 cylinder M2!

[Lucky13]

300 hp 4 cyl, place your bet now. M2 will be very light definitely under 3,200 lbs so it will still be faster and better handling than the M235. No way will it be a 6 when the future is smaller engines. CAFE goes to 54 mpg in 10 years so they have to wean us off 8's and 6's.

[momo3605]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

300 hp 4 cyl, place your bet now. M2 will be very light definitely under 3,200 lbs so it will still be faster and better handling than the M235. No way will it be a 6 when the future is smaller engines. CAFE goes to 54 mpg in 10 years so they have to wean us off 8's and 6's.

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that. Except 300hp is too low. There's no way it'll be less powerful than the 235i. I would bet probably 350hp and under 3200lbs

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by momo3605

Unfortunately, you're probably right about that. Except 300hp is too low. There's no way it'll be less powerful than the 235i. I would bet probably 350hp and under 3200lbs

+1

374.999hp at most.