[IB M]

Place your bets -

Will the M2 CS sell at MSRP and be hard to get or will it sit on lots and be heavily discounted like the M3 CS was and like the M4 CS is currently?

Things at play:
+ Limited amount
+ Rare - colors, bespoke parts, available CCBs
+ 6MT
- Covid19
- Lots of really good M2C available for cheap

[GoneIn4Secs]

Whos gonna pay 100k+ for this thing cept for some rich giys with $$$ to spare

[jayg80]

I think there will be enough demand to meet the limited supply if dealers don't slap on a market adjustment that drives the price too far above the msrp. $80k I can see a few hundred people paying. $100k not so much.

[D22M2]

Will lots around like the M2c. For that kind of $$ I’d be looking at a Porsche

[F87EVO]

As far as i know , in many countries are sold out already even with this situation , and i think it will somehow holds its value especially if its the best first gen M2 money can buy. It will be somehow be seen in the future as the Sport Evo of the M2s , since next generations will also have Special/Limited Edition cars. I think the MT is a big positive to all this , and it will help the car even if its a DCT , to holds its value a bit better than the M4CS. Only time will tell ofc , dont buy any car for investment , we live once and we have to drive as much as we can !

[SeanWRT]

Whatever the M2CS' tag price is in your country, 40% more than the M2C MSRP isn't really Porsche money unless you're looking at entry level trim 718. 911 base mildly equipped is normally twice the m2c money.

Market adjustment if any would be irrelevant and only add to the argument that it won't sit on lots for long.

[Davil]

Don't care. I've already bought one. It's the final form of the best "all rounder" M car BMW has made to date.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by Davil

Don't care. I've already bought one. It's the final form of the best "all rounder" M car BMW has made to date.

Good answer. If u love the car and plan to keep it then it's worth the price imo to be the original owner and spec it out to your desires.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by jayg80

I think there will be enough demand to meet the limited supply if dealers don't slap on a market adjustment that drives the price too far above the msrp. $80k I can see a few hundred people paying. $100k not so much.

Yea it is typically a waiting game and gamble if ur trying save a few bucks. M3CS came out and everyone had to have one - some paid MSRP and some paid mark-ups. A good handful of early buyers paid up, then the cars starting sitting. After about 5 months by November 2018 the cars could be had for $10-$12k off MSRP which seemed like a good deal. By Jan 2019 the remaining cars were going for $15 to $20k off MSRP which was a bargain. Interesting that by this time the 3CS media reviews were positive saying the car was a noticeable improvement over the M3Comp. Contrast that to Clarkson trashing the M4 GTS.

It's a hard bet to place on the 2CS. No doubt it is a special car as is the 3CS. So were the E30M and the 36LTW and they sat on lots. The 1M seems to be the only car that remained under supply during its launch.

[Artemis]

• 131 M2 CS cars available for Belgium and Luxembourg;
• possibility to 'reserve' one of those since 17 Sep 2019;
• possibility to order one of those since 6 Nov 2019; already back then discounts up to 10% were offered;
• over the past couple of months: some BMW M dealers have contacted several existing BMW M customers querying whether they are interested to get an M2 CS;
• current status (May 2020): still not all 131 M2 CS cars are spoken for (I know from someone who inquired earlier this week: still possible to order one);
• despite all the "limited edition" marketing, BMW M dealers are not scrambling to get hold of all the remaining ones;
• I know someone who was offered a 20% discount in France, but he refused (even at -20% he considers it still overpriced for a pimped M2 Competition);
• other example: since many months an M4 CS (San Marino Blue - 3 km mileage) is taking dust at a Belgian BMW M dealer with an almost 29% discount (€36.5K) (which is almost 7K less than the base price of the cheapest M2 CS).

What do you reckon ?

The M2 CS is a great car, no doubt about that - The Über M2, the #1 in the F87 pecking order. But - at least in Europe - as reflected by low demand, it's overpriced - not worth its salt. And its thunder got stolen by the M2 Competition: better value for money, taken into account discounts up to 20%. For the record, as regards MSRP prices: M2 CS = M2 Competition + 218i.

If money is no issue, get an M2 CS as investment in driving fun. As a financial investment it will get you a poor return, as most cars. And about halo cars from the past increasing in value or holding well value: wake up in the 2020-2030 decade: emission taxes on the rise, leasing high performance ICE cars getting fiscally discouraged, cities and towns gradually restricting high performance ICE cars, exhaust sounds further muzzled in Europe and COVID-19 shifting the paradigm of priorities for lots of people.

The claim to fame of the F87 M2 CS in future footnotes of automotive history books IMHO ? A BMW M car marketed as "limited edition" which was an incentive or catalyst to go buy an F87 M2 Competition or to pick up an original F87 M2, and spend the 50% change on mods, fuel and track days fun.

[Really_fat_ninja]

Question really is,...how much marginally better is it... for that much more money there are a lot of cars one can buy

[medphysdave]

I'm glad I get to see if the 2021 offers any additions related to the CS.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Really_fat_ninja

Question really is,...how much marginally better is it... for that much more money there are a lot of cars one can buy

The CS is not "better" than the C. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The CS offers a few upgrades that some find appealing and makes it a better overall purchase for them. For others it will be a bunch of overpriced fluff.

I would like to see a review of the recent LW M2comp driven as a DD over the course of a month. Is the suspension livable on a daily basis, or is to too much of a compromise. Suspension is a personal preference so some find a firm ride more livable than others. I'm getting soft as I age and don't like being jostled quite so much. I think people look like goofballs when you see them getting thrown around in the cabin over mild street imperfections.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

The CS is not "better" than the C. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The CS offers a few upgrades that some find appealing and makes it a better overall purchase for them. For others it will be a bunch of overpriced fluff.

I would like to see a review of the recent LW M2comp driven as a DD over the course of a month. Is the suspension livable on a daily basis, or is to too much of a compromise. Suspension is a personal preference so some find a firm ride more livable than others. I'm getting soft as I age and don't like being jostled quite so much. I think people look like goofballs when you see them getting thrown around in the cabin over mild street imperfections.

Agree with this - the Competition car is great already and has the S55. The CS will have the edge on rarity and collectors may bite on that fact. Could be that most 2CS cars won't see the track or heavy mileage unless the price drops to the point it makes sense.

[GoneIn4Secs]

From what i understand the only thing the cs will have over the m2c is cf hood, cf roof and adaptive suspension

cs lip and some cf bits like mirror caps and diffuser can be upgraded on the m2c easily

But if the CS is track focused car, then isn't adaptive suspension more of a hindrance than the m perf coilover suspension would be? Should the the cs have ideally come with mp suspension than the adaptive?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

From what i understand the only thing the cs will have over the m2c is cf hood, cf roof and adaptive suspension
cs lip and some cf bits like mirror caps and diffuser can be upgraded on the m2c easily
But if the CS is track focused car, then isn't adaptive suspension more of a hindrance than the m perf coilover suspension would be? Should the the cs have ideally come with mp suspension than the adaptive?

A couple of F87 M2 CS part #:

• CF splitter: part # 51 11 8 078 455
• CF hood: part # 51 71 8 082 720
• CF boot spoiler ('gurney'): part # 51 62 8 085 400

[JPMD]

I have a few cool cars but looking forward to getting back into a manual BMW M car. I'll be a buyer at MSRP & if it doesn't work out I will find series 1-M

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Artemis

A couple of F87 M2 CS part #:

• CF splitter: part # 51 11 8 078 455
• CF hood: part # 51 71 8 082 720
• CF boot spoiler ('gurney'): part # 51 62 8 085 400

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What are your thoughts on the suspension issue?

Im right, aren't i

[akkando]

They may make even less of them because of covid for whatever that's worth. Then again if you want similar specs you could just buy plain jane m4 or tune a m2c.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

What are your thoughts on the suspension issue?
Im right, aren't i

The adaptive suspension in the M2 CS is no 'issue'. It's a feature that was deemed unnecessary (also for cost reasons) for the 1M, original M2, M2 LCI and M2C. Let's wait and see what drivers think about it.

For the record: about the M2 and M2C suspension: see this post.

Listen also to what Henry Catchpole says from 05:12 to 05:49 in his M2C review:

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The adaptive suspension in the M2 CS is no 'issue'. It's a feature that was deemed unnecessary (also for cost reasons) for the 1M, original M2, M2 LCI and M2C. Let's wait and see what drivers think about it.

For the record: about the M2 and M2C suspension: see this post.

Listen also to what Henry Catchpole says from 05:12 to 05:49

Interesting perspective he had on the technology but it's not as jarring as he made it out to be. In fact, that's one of its main complaints; it's not as noticeable.

I honestly believe its operation is subtle but there is a discernible difference in handling, especially with pitch and body roll.

[JustChris]

For everyone saying it's sold out already. That's almost always the case with this type of cut, doesn't always mean there is a customer with money at the end of the deals till waiting. If someone backs out the dealers keep the allocations or sometimes have ordered them from the start.

In the U.K. it's the dealers who are BMW U.K. customers this just by way of allocation to dealers they're sold out.

For some time I've said it will go the same way as the M3/4CS but I actually think it will be a little less here in the U.K., mainly because there aren't many to sell.