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And you're 100% correct about Porsches being impractical. I did take a look at a Macan and to get the same specs as the M2C, I would move to a GTS that costs around $100K. Wow! I also had a humbling experience today. My company will be eliminating all bonuses this year so it can maintain the workforce and especially paying our hourly employees even if they cannot work. Prior to this I was all on the Porsche bandwagon. But now I'm giving the M2C a second look. It is quick unbelievable as an all-a rounder. I don't plan to track this car, but will take it on spirited drives. All this for $60K is quite good (granted I understand $60K is still a lot of money). Although I don't need a daily, I still think the fun factor and usability fits well with my particular use case. Now I just have to wait for BMW to announce the MY21 and have the factories open back up.
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@Artemis can you speak briefly on how auto makers were already in dire straights prior to this event? I was not aware of this and based on their units sold, it seems like auto makers were selling more and more cars. In addition to the numerous models they were releasing. Even for M, I've never seen that many model releases at such a short interval.
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Apparently there were some cracks in the future projections starting last year.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...to-sales-2019/ |
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For example, the best average discount in the US is around 10%. Obviously it fluctuates a percentage point or two based on order vs. on the lot vehicles. However, this does not equate to a huge % off, in my mind. Most mainstream vehicles are 10% off in my mind and is almost expected. In fact, X5s are going for 10% off before incentives. Obviously in Europe a 20%+ off is quite a lot higher, but also takes into account of the high VAT and other government markups.
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Personally speaking, I had not witnessed 20%+ discounts offered upfront (without negotiation) openly indicated on the official BMW website, for a brand new well-equipped M2C coming straight from the factory, unregistered yet with zero mileage and no loose ends (clean: nothing whatsoever physically or legally impacting its value). Maybe I wasn't aware, or was naive, in the past ? Anyways, in my experience, that kind of discount level was more something offered to customers benefiting a special status (BMW staff, very loyal BMW customers, diplomats, army, fleet, etc.). A time when BMW M car salesmen mastered the marketing art of giving you the make-believe feeling that negotiating a ± 8% discount was rather an 'achievement' for mere mortals. High discounts boost sales. Some kind of 'legal doping' for statistics: one cannot deny that the car was truly sold to a customer. Other example: already since several weeks this M4 CS pictured below is offered for sale over here with a 28.85% discount (€36.5K discount). The discount is offered upfront, prior to you taking a seat to negotiate with the BMW M car salesman. No dealer demo car (mileage is 3 km = less than 2 miles). Nice car. Well-equipped. And yet still no buyer... IMHO just another illustration of a symptom hinting that the car industry is going through some changes lately. And, in the course, a quick reminder that those who order an M2 CS, truly want the car for what it is, not minding to pay the price (MSRP) of an M2C + 218i for it.
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I just wanted to see if anyone has any new info on allocations for the US. I figured people would have posted if they went out but I'll ask anyways.. I'm also wondering on status of the factory that produces the CS if anyone has any info.
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All of this makes sense with the tightening European emission standards that is requiring BMW to make all of the European models before this fall. ...more waiting...
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So basically ordering will open up right as the economy is tanking - closed schools, limited travel, under used hotels and restaurants, commercial and residential real estate rents unpaid and the government printing presses finally out of paper.
Should be interesting - some people paid full boat on the M3CS at launch in 2018, after a few months many got 10 to 15% discount and at the end in early 2019 a few scored near 20% discounts. If you want the M2CS first and to your spec then maybe worth it to pay up but for those that can wait I'm guessing there will be plenty of bargains come February. |
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Otherwise I may look around outside the performance car arena with an SUV. Defender or used Ceyenne turbo S but add off-road tires . I'm an odd duck and like what I like. I was seriously considering a C8. Drove past one oncoming and my first thought was "what weirdo car is that". It's very busy and much less elegant than anticipated. Im certain it would appeal more to me with body color panels. I'd wait for the z06. However, I want something that I can enjoy with the kids. 911 doesn't appeal to me, but maybe I need to drive one. |
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If I don't get a CS allocation from my local dealer, then I'll save more money and eventually get a 911. May take another year or two, since I'll do at least a Carrera S (not interested in base).
No interest in Teslas. GT4 looks too rough on the street, plus it appears to be cramped and with extremely low ground clearance. No interest in tracking so a GT4 doesn't make sense. No interest in Corvettes either. Really hoping the CS allocation vetting process happens in August/September so people know where they stand. |
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