[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

May I ask, what week was your build?

According to the Google doc, it was 12/15/2020. I didn't order the car; I just happened to see it the day it arrived at the dealer.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

According to the Google doc, it was 12/15/2020. I didn't order the car; I just happened to see it the day it arrived at the dealer.

Thank you

I just noticed my VIN was 42,000ish ahead of yours and mine was a week 42 build with VIN in H12,000s

They must have been pushing some cars out of that factory alright, given these numbers, it seems they built an average of 4,000+ cars a week

[f80_MG]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Thank you

I just noticed my VIN was 42,000ish ahead of yours and mine was a week 42 build with VIN in H12,000s

They must have been pushing some cars out of that factory alright, given these numbers, it seems they built an average of 4,000+ cars a week

MadRad, AFAIK BMW does not do sequential VINs anymore. So calculating production numbers that way sadly doesn't work now.
Hence this arduous task of putting together the registry that GimmeanM had to do.

PS - I also wonder if this opens up an untapped market for BMW to charge for custom VINs !

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by f80_MG

MadRad, AFAIK BMW does not do sequential VINs anymore. So calculating production numbers that way sadly doesn't work now.
Hence this arduous task of putting together the registry that GimmeanM had to do.

I understand that part, but I thought that meant there may be a hundred other types of non-F87s being slotted in among the M2CSs. Does this mean they just generate a VIN randomly for every car reaching the top of the list when it comes to manufacturing?

[f80_MG]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I understand that part, but I thought that meant there may be a hundred other types of non-F87s be slotted in among the M2CSs. Does this mean they just generate a VIN randomly for every car reaching the top of the list when it comes to manufacturing?

Ahh, I gotcha. I'm not sure about that part, I assumed just a random VIN but maybe someone can answer that with actual knowledge instead of guessing like I am!

EDIT:
Not sure this adds more information to what you already know, but he's the person who has posted F80 production numbers etc. in the past.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=16

[ptgltw]

I can only speak of the USA LTW's that came out. They were built along side regular M3's. The vins aren't in numerical order but we do have a master list.

Just like this one. Although our master list came about long after the E36 M3 LTW was born and not like this list we have access to now.

With the E30 M3 they did numerical lists, one right after the other until the run was over.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by f80_MG

Ahh, I gotcha. I'm not sure about that part, I assumed just a random VIN but maybe someone can answer that with actual knowledge instead of guessing like I am!

EDIT:
Not sure this adds more information to what you already know, but he's the person who has posted F80 production numbers etc. in the past.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24853251&postcount=16

Very interesting

Thanks for the link and further educating me on this

[medphysdave]

It was brought up that the 589 number may no longer be correct. Can we get the front page updated to reflect this? Artemis

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

It was brought up that the 589 number may no longer be correct. Can we get the front page updated to reflect this? Artemis

It is not correct, ryem3 is number 590 and f80_MG found two more that were originally PCD destined cars.
Thinking about setting up a poll to see what people think about how/when to call it finalized. f80_MG is going to try and get more info from folks at PCD although I'm not confident they will help us. If that's the case and we call it finalized there is the risk of someone noticing (just like ryem3) that their car is not there.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

It is not correct, ryem3 is number 590 and f80_MG found two more that were originally PCD destined cars.
Thinking about setting up a poll to see what people think about how/when to call it finalized. f80_MG is going to try and get more info from folks at PCD although I'm not confident they will help us. If that's the case and we call it finalized there is the risk of someone noticing (just like ryem3) that their car is not there.

It keeps me updating my signature. I don't believe the 2200 worldwide will be correct either.

[Artemis]

PA: this thread was made a sticky in the M2 section.

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

It is not correct, ryem3 is number 590 and f80_MG found two more that were originally PCD destined cars.
Thinking about setting up a poll to see what people think about how/when to call it finalized. f80_MG is going to try and get more info from folks at PCD although I'm not confident they will help us. If that's the case and we call it finalized there is the risk of someone noticing (just like ryem3) that their car is not there.

Originally Posted by medphysdave

It keeps me updating my signature. I don't believe the 2200 worldwide will be correct either.

To be on the safe side, better say "one of 600-ish", "one of 2200-ish" or "one of less than usual".

Some food for thought about 'limited edition':

"Why was BMW sued by American E28 M5 owners?
When BMW of North America first announced the E28 M5 in late 1986, production was said to be limited to 500 cars. This same production limit was also specifically mentioned in the original U.S.-market sales brochure. By the time production of the E28 M5 ended in November of 1987, however, over 1,200 examples had been produced for the U.S. market. Thus, a class action lawsuit was filed against BMW of North America in 1991 by E28 M5 owners who claimed that the collector's value of their cars was diminished by the greater volume. The company settled the case by giving E28 M5 owners a $4,000 certificate (transferable to anyone) that could be applied towards the purchase or lease of a new BMW."
(source: here)

Originally Posted by Artemis

When I ordered my 1M in 2011, I was told that 41 cars would be made available over here. In the end over 160 were allocated over here. I didn't care about the numbers - I wanted to enjoy driving the car (which I also did). But true that the initial "2700" figure was not mentioned in 1M press materials. As we know, in the end 6309 1M cars were produced instead of 2700.

A couple of years later, the F82 M4 GTS was quite a different story. BMW flaunted "700" and "limited edition" in press materials, promoting exclusivity. The M4 GTS brochure indicated: "In fact, the top performance of the new BMW M4 GTS only knows one limit: the limited number of just 700 vehicles worldwide" (see here):





High demand by dealers, greedy speculators and genuine customers likely induced BMW to break its "just 700" promise. 803 were sold (830 were made, including pre-production, press and demo cars) (see here and here). Speculators (coin flippers) found out rather quickly that a 981 Cayman GT4 'let's make a quick buck' frenzy wouldn't materialize with the M4 GTS. Indeed, it didn't bode well: even today several low mile M4 GTS cars are still sitting around with a 'For Sale' sign. Again, genuine customers don't care: they prefer enjoying their cars - that's usually the main reason why they bought the car in the first place.

The M4 GTS production increase wasn't announced - it was discovered, and not quite appreciated, to say the least (see for example the dedicated thread here).

To add insult to injury, subsequently BMW introduced the M4 DTM Champion Edition ("limited edition"): 200 cars with an even higher price-tag. Actually, it was an M4 GTS with a different aero package, some added BMW M livery and a funky name (see here): "The M4 DTM Champion Edition is basically the second coming of the M4 GTS, which wowed the automotive world last year with its awesome water injection technology. As you'd expect this car is rarer than the one it's based on, with just 200 units set for production; the M4 GTS had a production run of 700 cars. Another thing that sets the M4 DTM Champion Edition apart from the M4 GTS is its price: €148,550 ($163,376). The M4 GTS was sold for $134,200, with the markup for the new car likely owing to its collectible status. That's the only conclusion we could come to as the two M4s are basically the same." (here).

As M4 CS and M3 CS production targets were 4-digits (3000 cars for the M4 CS and 1200 cars for the M3 CS), BMW refrained from labeling those "Limited Edition". No production figure in press materials. Same goes for the M2 CS: press materials don't mention the recurring "2200" figure. M2 CS production was delayed because of the COVID-19 situation. The final figure will be known someday in the future.

Anyways, "limited edition", what's in a name ? In a way, in the grand scheme of things, any car model production is 'limited' in production time and quantities.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Hm, would BMW dare to walk the Ferrari 'limited edition' route when demand outstrips the 'official' production limit ?

"399 Enzo + 1 for the Pope" is the official Ferrari tag line. However...

"How many did you say?
As for being one of 400 built, thanks to historians like Gerald Roush of the Ferrari Market Letter, a well-known member of the serial number swapping group to which I belong, we have confirmed records on 446 Enzos to date, and the list is growing. This is obviously well over the official number of 399 plus 1 used by Ferrari.
How can this be? Very simple; Ferrari is a “for profit” organization, and once the development and production costs of the Enzo were paid for, each extra car delivered at $650,000 or so had a very large profit margin built in. Add a lot of wealthy and well-connected owners who were miffed that they were not on the lucky list of 400, and you have a burgeoning market making wealthy clients happy by making “extra” cars. So much for the one of 400 myth…."
(source: here - see also here and here)

"I'm up to 501 Enzo serial numbers, and have it on good authority that between 520-540 were built."
"My count does not include those cars whose VINs were re-assigned to brand new Enzos that were dubbed as "repaired" when they were really replacements. So, I guess you can add another, say, half dozen or so to the list if you count those as well."
(source: here)

See also:

[arciga18]

Thank you for the sticky.

[Wah]

I'm hoping COVID kept the total number of CS's produced to well below what was originally planned.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Wah

I'm hoping COVID kept the total number of CS's produced to well below what was originally planned.

Be careful what you wish for

[p540i]

I'm number 22 on the list. I ordered the car pretty early on. Thanks for all the hard work

[Peterometer]

I have #427 H46877 -- but your list says 1TQ when it came with the 1TR wheels/tires?

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by stevestevesteve

I have #427 H46877 -- but your list says 1TQ when it came with the 1TR wheels/tires?

If he pulled the info before your car went into production it could have been changed.

[capo1m]

437 on the list checking in!

[to_riffic]

OH! I'm #326 on the list!

[SilverM2_CS]

Number 587 on the list


H58521

Just picked it up from Albany on Saturday.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by SilverM2_CS

Number 587 on the list


H58521

Just picked it up from Albany on Saturday.

Prepare to join the rest of us in living with constant regret of our purchase.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by SilverM2_CS

Number 587 on the list


H58521

Just picked it up from Albany on Saturday.

Congratulations friend, one less available for sale is great news

Enjoy in good health