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      05-29-2018, 07:17 PM   #353
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Believe or not, I would pay extra not to have these stupid features/accessories. I would gladly pay extra $5k (or even more on top of $60K) to bring the weight down to EU spec.
So you're saying you want a M2C Performance Edition?
Yup! That would be great. We had M2 PE so why not M2C PE? Who knows maybe we'll see something similar before EOP but I'll just order mine and enjoy. Not planning to wait for any special edition or a higher model such as CS/L.
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Believe or not, I would pay extra not to have these stupid features/accessories. I would gladly pay extra $5k (or even more on top of $60K) to bring the weight down to the fictitious EU spec.
fixed that for you.. but yeah.. 100 percent agree. I would more rather pay 5K for a LIGHTER car than a HEAVIER motor.
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Believe or not, I would pay extra not to have these stupid features/accessories. I would gladly pay extra $5k (or even more on top of $60K) to bring the weight down to EU spec.
They made that possible with the Mperf parts. There is a no option M2C for budget conscious. Which carries a minmal increase for the plethora of upgrades the car gets. There is also the Mperf catalog for individuals that want to go wild and build to a higher budget. It is a win win.
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Yup! That would be great. We had M2 PE so why not M2C PE? Who knows maybe we'll see something similar before EOP but I'll just order mine and enjoy. Not planning to wait for any special edition or a higher model such as CS/L.
Just build it youself.
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They made that possible with the Mperf parts. There is a no option M2C for budget conscious. Which carries a minmal increase for the plethora of upgrades the car gets. There is also the Mperf catalog for individuals that want to go wild and build to a higher budget. It is a win win.

Just build it youself.
I was not talking about reducing weight via CF parts and I do not expect BMW to throw in those parts for free. Let me be more specific:

What I do want in my M2C is:
- S55
- 6MT
- Manually adjustable sport seats without heat or lumbar (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Basic keyless entry, without comfort access (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Single zone automatic climate control (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Base audio system instead of HK (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Adaptive LED headlights (only possible via Exec Package)

What I do not want in my M2C is:
- Automatic seats (add more weight if they are heated and had lumbar too)
- Active Driving Assistant
- Apple CarPlay
- Heated steering wheel (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Automatic high beams (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Wireless charging (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Wifi HotSpot (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Speed Limit Info (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)

I don't know how much weight in total this small stuff adds up but I just don't want them. There may be several people taking advantage of these features but I know I don't need any of them. My point is BMW could have made all of them optional. If they really want to charge everyone $1200 (cost of exec package), I'm ok with that too. I'll pay $1200 for adaptive LEDs but don't give me that extra crap, at least let me opt out of what I don't want. Or give me manual seats as a no cost option and I promise I won't bitch why I'm paying the same price as someone who is getting the automatic seats. The bottom line is I have zero problems with the price point of M2C and all I want is just to deselect certain features/components while still paying what BMW wants me to pay.
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fixed that for you.. but yeah.. 100 percent agree. I would more rather pay 5K for a LIGHTER car than a HEAVIER motor.
I keep saying there's a market for a 230is or, dare I say, 4 pot M2 CSL based on a juiced B48 (S48) putting out 320-350hp in lightened 2900-3000 lb chassis. Imagine that.
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I keep saying there's a market for a 230is or, dare I say, 4 pot M2 CSL based on a juiced B48 (S48) putting out 320-350hp in lightened 2900-3000 lb chassis. Imagine that.
It is called base Cayman. You can pretty much walk into any dealer right now and get a 10% discount on any 4-banger 718.
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It is called base Cayman. You can pretty much walk into any dealer right now and get a 10% discount on any 4-banger 718.
touche...But, been there, done that.
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fixed that for you.. but yeah.. 100 percent agree. I would more rather pay 5K for a LIGHTER car than a HEAVIER motor.
I keep saying there's a market for a 230is or, dare I say, 4 pot M2 CSL based on a juiced B48 (S48) putting out 320-350hp in lightened 2900-3000 lb chassis. Imagine that.
A twin turbo S20 equipped M2 would have been fine with me but every new bimwad in this forum thinks bmw only makes 6 cylinder motors.

Three years ago there were posts about how bad a 4 cylinder turbo would sound blah blah blah.
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I keep saying there's a market for a 230is or, dare I say, 4 pot M2 CSL based on a juiced B48 (S48) putting out 320-350hp in lightened 2900-3000 lb chassis. Imagine that.

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It is called base Cayman. You can pretty much walk into any dealer right now and get a 10% discount on any 4-banger 718.

And Porsche counts money on every sale right ?

Why isn't bmw doing the same thing and maximizing profits by offering multiple levels of the same car?

The only reason that there isn't an M2 base, M2
Comp, M2 CS, M2 CSL hierarchy already that also includes an M2 SEDAN and an M2 convertible is because BMW AG was skeered.

Skeered of what would happen to their sacred cow 3/4 series .... and that's how they lost the luxury car sales crown to Mercedes.
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I was not talking about reducing weight via CF parts and I do not expect BMW to throw in those parts for free. Let me be more specific:

What I do want in my M2C is:
- S55
- 6MT
- Manually adjustable sport seats without heat or lumbar (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Basic keyless entry, without comfort access (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Single zone automatic climate control (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Base audio system instead of HK (M2 Performance Edition had this)
- Adaptive LED headlights (only possible via Exec Package)

What I do not want in my M2C is:
- Automatic seats (add more weight if they are heated and had lumbar too)
- Active Driving Assistant
- Apple CarPlay
- Heated steering wheel (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Automatic high beams (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Wireless charging (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Wifi HotSpot (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)
- Speed Limit Info (Mandatory in order to have adaptive LED headlights, i.e. Exec Package)

I don't know how much weight in total this small stuff adds up but I just don't want them. There may be several people taking advantage of these features but I know I don't need any of them. My point is BMW could have made all of them optional. If they really want to charge everyone $1200 (cost of exec package), I'm ok with that too. I'll pay $1200 for adaptive LEDs but don't give me that extra crap, at least let me opt out of what I don't want. Or give me manual seats as a no cost option and I promise I won't bitch why I'm paying the same price as someone who is getting the automatic seats. The bottom line is I have zero problems with the price point of M2C and all I want is just to deselect certain features/components while still paying what BMW wants me to pay.

I agree with making things no cost options, rather than having them standard, I really have no care for active driving assistant, and would rather this be a no cost option for those who want it. But ill stick to driving my own car thanks bmw...
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I hope for the next M2 they use a Carbon Core body frame; I'll spring an for extra 10k to shed 300lbs off the M2's body size..


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I am going to assume that the M2C US/Canada rear turn signals are the color red instead of amber like the European version..

Add $700 for new Euro tail lights..
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C&D weighed a 2015 M4 with DCT, CF Rood, CC Brakes = 3581lbs
C&D previously weighted a 2010 E92 with DCT, CF Rood = 3600lbs

The DCT M2C is heavier than the E92 M3? Something has to be wrong.

Side Note: BMW did an incredible job on the M3/M4 weight. The bar was high.
Didn’t BMW transition 2018 M3/M4s from a CF Driveshaft to a Steel Driveshaft around Oct/Nov 2017, so does the C&D-reviewed M4 you cite have a CF or Steel Driveshaft...and also, what comes standard on the M2 Comp? The CF Driveshaft provided huge weight savings.

Shocking to see BMW stop using them on the M3/M4 after previously offering it on all pre-Early MY2018 cars. Even the $40k base Alfa Romeo Giulia has a CF Driveshaft, so not exactly sure why BMW decided to start skimping now on the much, much more expensive M3/M4s.
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I am going to assume that the M2C US/Canada rear turn signals are the color red instead of amber like the European version..

Add $700 for new Euro tail lights..
What part exactly are you referring too? Are the days of eliminating all orange lights from cars gone? People want amber or orange lights now? When did this happen?
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I am going to assume that the M2C US/Canada rear turn signals are the color red instead of amber like the European version..

Add $700 for new Euro tail lights..
What part exactly are you referring too? Are the days of eliminating all orange lights from cars gone? People want amber or orange lights now? When did this happen?
Yes, ever since 2006, all US bound BMWs have red turn signals, you can have either color here. Which I assume BMW does to save a buck, since it's all one color.

European law require manufacturers to have amber color turn signals, so all their cars have amber turn signals over there.

It's really funny to see an American vehicle in Europe with amber turn signals, which is usually all red.

A lot of people prefer amber turn signals, especially if it's LED, so you're forced to purchase tail lights from Europe if you want that color. It's silly and cosmetic but I prefer amber.

M2 LCI tail lights retrofitted on pre-LCI M2 https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1397351

DIY: LCI Tailights https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1405431

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1043017

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Hi Folks

I'm thinking of getting an M2C. I have Porsche macan turbo with all the goodies which is my daily for last 2 years. I enjoy and have no intention to sell it.

I never owned an M car before. Had F10 550 and E70 before. F10 was good but not really a fun to drive.

So the input I want from the guys who owned M vehicles is #1 Can M2 C be a daily, drive about 40-50 miles a day for work. #2 How much of different fun factor it will have or I will end up having two cars in the roughly same category.

I was actually looking for a S5 or 435 convertibles to add as an additional car but for some reason my mind got stuck at M2C. It's just so crazy.

Thanks for your input.
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I'm thinking of getting an M2C. I have Porsche macan turbo with all the goodies which is my daily for last 2 years. I enjoy and have no intention to sell it.

I never owned an M car before. Had F10 550 and E70 before. F10 was good but not really a fun to drive.

So the input I want from the guys who owned M vehicles is #1 Can M2 C be a daily, drive about 40-50 miles a day for work. #2 How much of different fun factor it will have or I will end up having two cars in the roughly same category.

I was actually looking for a S5 or 435 convertibles to add as an additional car but for some reason my mind got stuck at M2C. It's just so crazy.

Thanks for your input.
I also have a Macan, and you can absolutely daily an M car. Quite honestly that's their appeal. Track and/or Road performance cars you can daily.

Don't hesitate.
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I'm thinking of getting an M2C. I have Porsche macan turbo with all the goodies which is my daily for last 2 years. I enjoy and have no intention to sell it.

I never owned an M car before. Had F10 550 and E70 before. F10 was good but not really a fun to drive.

So the input I want from the guys who owned M vehicles is #1 Can M2 C be a daily, drive about 40-50 miles a day for work. #2 How much of different fun factor it will have or I will end up having two cars in the roughly same category.

I was actually looking for a S5 or 435 convertibles to add as an additional car but for some reason my mind got stuck at M2C. It's just so crazy.

Thanks for your input.
I also have a Macan, and you can absolutely daily an M car. Quite honestly that's their appeal. Track and/or Road performance cars you can daily.

Don't hesitate.
Thanks so much
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CF hood and fenders are almost a must now. Hope they don't rape us on those. I will not however do the CF roof, F that noise.
The sheet metal is soooo thin already. How much would this actually save?
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Which of the two wheel options weighs less?
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Hi Folks

I'm thinking of getting an M2C. I have Porsche macan turbo with all the goodies which is my daily for last 2 years. I enjoy and have no intention to sell it.

I never owned an M car before. Had F10 550 and E70 before. F10 was good but not really a fun to drive.

So the input I want from the guys who owned M vehicles is #1 Can M2 C be a daily, drive about 40-50 miles a day for work. #2 How much of different fun factor it will have or I will end up having two cars in the roughly same category.

I was actually looking for a S5 or 435 convertibles to add as an additional car but for some reason my mind got stuck at M2C. It's just so crazy.

Thanks for your input.

An M2 is a More fun daily than a Macan.

The end.

I drive a RWD X1 as a daily and my 1M sits in the garage. Which do you think is more fun though??

Come on man ! Small car = more fun than small SUV which is more fun than BIG SEDAN. I know you own a Porsche so let's talk Porsche.

what's more fun to drive a macan or a Cayman?? DUHHHH! How. Silly a question is that ??

Keep the macan and get the M2 and drive it on weekends. Or even daily if you decide it's more fun. Let us know.
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Hi Folks

I'm thinking of getting an M2C. I have Porsche macan turbo with all the goodies which is my daily for last 2 years. I enjoy and have no intention to sell it.

I never owned an M car before. Had F10 550 and E70 before. F10 was good but not really a fun to drive.

So the input I want from the guys who owned M vehicles is #1 Can M2 C be a daily, drive about 40-50 miles a day for work. #2 How much of different fun factor it will have or I will end up having two cars in the roughly same category.

I was actually looking for a S5 or 435 convertibles to add as an additional car but for some reason my mind got stuck at M2C. It's just so crazy.

Thanks for your input.
The M2 is a great daily. But some owners feel that its stiffer ride is an issue. But in any case you should definitely test drive the current M2 now to help you decide. The M2's are available now to allow you that, unlike the in the first 1-2 years, but the M2 Competition won't be. You'll experience ~95% of how the M2 Competition will feel so you'll make a more informed decision.
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