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      02-26-2019, 06:45 PM   #221
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The CCB is really an overkill for the CS considering what comes stock on the M2C but they look so dominant; like something they would use to stop an aircraft..

Depending how vain you are or how much disposable income you have to play with, I believe they're worth the price of admission
Honestly, there's no way CCBs are worth the money. Useless on the street, and unpractical on the track (just get a proper PFC bbk or something). My favorite thing about these (well the Porsche version at least) is that the wheels just never seem to get dirty. You have to be extremely rich for these to be anything other then bragging rights IMO.
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CCB is mainly for BMW to be able to say they dropped significant amount of weight. In the press release, they will probably say they dropped the weight by 100+lbs and a major part of it will be thanks to CCB. In reality, very few people will option the $8K CCBs.
I doubt they would contribute to that big of a reduction. A lot of the weight is in the giant calipers too. This is basically only taking weight out of the rotor rings. Some weight there for sure but probably less than one would think.
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CCB is mainly for BMW to be able to say they dropped significant amount of weight. In the press release, they will probably say they dropped the weight by 100+lbs and a major part of it will be thanks to CCB. In reality, very few people will option the $8K CCBs.
I doubt they would contribute to that big of a reduction. A lot of the weight is in the giant calipers too. This is basically only taking weight out of the rotor rings. Some weight there for sure but probably less than one would think.
Feel free to check BMW ETK. This has been discussed before. CCB save about 18lbs over the blue M3/M4 brakes, which are already ~35lbs lighter than silver M2C brakes. So 50+lbs savings in total. Bigger brakes is one of the biggest contributors to the weight increase on M2C (other one is the dual pipe exhaust sustem) and it's the reason why I immediately sold my stock M2C brakes and went with much lighter aftermarket BBK.
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I wonder if there will be suspension changes.
Actually yes. I totally forgot that the existing M2 models have fixed suspension. M2 CS will have adaptive suspension like M3/M4.
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OMG Adaptive Suspension and a manual on an M2 chassis!

I didn't bother asking because I didn't think it was possible, as they previously claimed..

This is certainly going to improve the handling of this vehicle, as EDC adjusts the dampers, in real time, to the vehicle's current actions.

The package is compete!


Why no Adaptive M suspension in M2C? https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1497961


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Actually yes. I totally forgot that the existing M2 models have fixed suspension. M2 CS will have adaptive suspension like M3/M4
I guess it’s really becoming the baby m4 now.
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MY2020 M4 Comp Pack pricing starts at $74K. If this car starts in the $70s, it'll absolutely kill the M4 sales. M2 CS will be lighter, have more power, and be more capable on the track. Honestly, even if the pricing starts in the $80s I would still choose this over an M4 any day. Really curious how BMW is gonna price it.
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Actually yes. I totally forgot that the existing M2 models have fixed suspension. M2 CS will have adaptive suspension like M3/M4.

Let the car mags that repost the info they find on b-post say this if they feel it adds weight to their articles. Here, we don't need to pretend.

Sorry but no.
Any indication of what seats this will have? The current ones, or the ones with the holes (no lumbar)? People with sensitive backs want to know
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The CCB's are actually a big part of why I'm wanting to get a CS. I have a 2017 M2 with Dinan stage 4 and the brakes are a limiting factor on the street and track. I do run track pads but the whole braking system just gets worked over during track days. Power will be similar though but with more potential. If you've ever priced upgrading your brakes, $8k is about the norm in most cases so it's not actually unreasonable. This is all speculation so who knows what the finial pricing will be.
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The CCB's are actually a big part of why I'm wanting to get a CS. I have a 2017 M2 with Dinan stage 4 and the brakes are a limiting factor on the street and track. I do run track pads but the whole braking system just gets worked over during track days. Power will be similar though but with more potential. If you've ever priced upgrading your brakes, $8k is about the norm in most cases so it's not actually unreasonable. This is all speculation so who knows what the finial pricing will be.
The disadvantage of CCBs isn't the initial upgrade cost. If you track your car, they are a serious financial burden. They don't last any longer than steel brakes if you track on them regularly. In other words, I have seen people who needed to replace their CCB pads and rotors after just one track season. Rotors and pads are all consumables and the replacement cost of CCB rotors and pads is outrageous compared to the replacement cost of an aftermarket BBK. That's why most serious Porsche or Corvette track guys dump their CCBs right away and go with aftermarket BBK. Therefore, if you regularly track or plan to track, investing that $8-9K into an aftermarket BBK is a much better option. Not only you'll get the same weight savings but also better braking as well as the flexibility to fit 18" wheels (Neither CCBs nor M2C silver brakes allow fitting 18" wheels).
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      02-26-2019, 08:27 PM   #231
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Some may say this is how the competition should have been all along
Only OG M2 owners would say that...
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I wonder if the M2 cs will also receive the significant torque bump that the M3/4 cs received.
Probably not a "significant" bump, but torque must be increased if hp is increasing so there will be some sort of increase. I would bet they are going to use the same tune as what's in the M3/4 competition
Not necessarily true. The base M3 and comp pkg both have 406lb/ft of torque with the comp pkg adding a 19hp bump. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference in power driving the two. The M3 cs however gets a slight bump in hp above the comp pkg (I think only 9hp) but it gets a hefty boost in torque of +37lb/ft. The cs def feels faster than the base/comp variants.
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MY2020 M4 Comp Pack pricing starts at $74K. If this car starts in the $70s, it'll absolutely kill the M4 sales. M2 CS will be lighter, have more power, and be more capable on the track. Honestly, even if the pricing starts in the $80s I would still choose this over an M4 any day. Really curious how BMW is gonna price it.
M4 ZCP sales are already slow anyway...

Better to get people buying the M2 CS then moving onto other brands
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CCB I guess would be an option...not standard
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Considering the M3 cs is selling in the $80k range right now I don't think they would have much success asking that much for the M2 cs but who knows.
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Who has said they are trading their m2c for m2cs? There's no significant upgrade. Most the people that went from M2 to M2C did it for a major engine upgrade.
I might trade up to the CS if the price is reasonable...

The Carbon roof and 445hp both entice me...plus there will be some suspension changes

I want more power but concern about the drivetrain warranty

If they price it too ambitiously, I will still be very happy with my Comp considering it has the same S55 engine and I can always mod it to CS level or beyond
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Actually yes. I totally forgot that the existing M2 models have fixed suspension. M2 CS will have adaptive suspension like M3/M4.
Sir I know your info has high level of accuracy and the way you describe it sounds legit.

But I still don't get it why not a multi way adjustable coilover, for example, the m performance coilover (kw v3 equivalent) or even the GTS coilover (kw cs equivalent)? CS is a parts-bin car, so at least they should choose the right part from the bin.

Performance aside, adaptive damper actually makes the car a less hardcore one.

Is the M2 CS now officially the overpriced babe M4 ZCP?

Also, since you already tell us so much about it, can you comment on the hood that we found is carbon fiber from spy shots and that's missing from your report?

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Can we move this thread to the M2C section, to join all the other overpriced and overdone cars that have tried hard (but failed) to sully the OG’s UDM legacy since 2018?

M2C... M2CS...M2CSL...M23456... all inferior to the OG - still the best looking, best sounding M2 that will be the true classic in decades to come. And it cost only 54k!

Srsly, am I the only cheapie on here who values value? Or a timeless original design without ugly grilles and overdone CF? Or actual aural satisfaction?

There is nothing timeless about the M2 or 2 series design in general... and aural satisfaction is subjective. All turbo BMWs sound sad in comparison to NA V8s, for example.

Will agree on the value.
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MY2020 M4 Comp Pack pricing starts at $74K. If this car starts in the $70s, it'll absolutely kill the M4 sales. M2 CS will be lighter, have more power, and be more capable on the track. Honestly, even if the pricing starts in the $80s I would still choose this over an M4 any day. Really curious how BMW is gonna price it.
I don't know, I actually don't think there's a ton of cross shopping from M4 buyers. From my time at the other forum, there seems to be a huge portion of M4 buyers that are really image conscious and wouldn't be seen dead in a "2 series" even if it was faster and cheaper. The interior is a pretty big difference as well. Plus, the M4 is getting a little old and they were being discounted last I checked.

On the flip side, there are a number of people on the M2 forums here that wouldn't consider an M4 because of size alone.

You still might be right, though.
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OMG Adaptive Suspension and a manual on an M2 chassis!

I didn't bother asking because I didn't think it was possible, as they previously claimed..

This is certainly going to improve the handling of this vehicle, as EDC adjusts the dampers, in real time, to the vehicle's current actions.

The package is compete!

Why no Adaptive M suspension in M2C?

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Same reason there was no "factory install" for the CF roof in the M2C...marketing bullshit.

They can do whatever they want...but we don't have to take the spoon-fed BS...
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I don't know, I actually don't think there's a ton of cross shopping from M4 buyers. From my time at the other forum, there seems to be a huge portion of M4 buyers that are really image conscious and wouldn't be seen dead in a "2 series" even if it was faster and cheaper. The interior is a pretty big difference as well. Plus, the M4 is getting a little old and they were being discounted last I checked.

On the flip side, there are a number of people on the M2 forums here that wouldn't consider an M4 because of size alone.

You still might be right, though.
Agreed - except, most M4 buyers really want a 911 and can't afford that lease, much less, purchase payment. wonder how they will all react when they see the different economics associated with the G82.

The M2, in any guise, is the modern M3. Leave it to people who "get it"
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MY2020 M4 Comp Pack pricing starts at $74K. If this car starts in the $70s, it'll absolutely kill the M4 sales. M2 CS will be lighter, have more power, and be more capable on the track. Honestly, even if the pricing starts in the $80s I would still choose this over an M4 any day. Really curious how BMW is gonna price it.
I don't know, I actually don't think there's a ton of cross shopping from M4 buyers. From my time at the other forum, there seems to be a huge portion of M4 buyers that are really image conscious and wouldn't be seen dead in a "2 series" even if it was faster and cheaper.
You're right, when members in the M4 forum suggest getting an M2C, they perceive it as taking a step down.. Sort of like how M2 owners look down on 240i drivers. The arrogance is quite an amusing observation on human nature.

Since they already announced the S58 and the new G series M4 mule was just seen being winter tested, I assume they're going to release it to coincide with the M2 CS, so it doesn't overlap in competition.
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