[omasou]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Poochie

What about 275 and 285 rear tires, which I assume one, or both is available with PS4S and Cup 2?

///AVM

I may be in the minority but wider won't help...much.

I tried 255/275 on the M2 before the M2C and I didn't see any benefits, other than esthetics, less stretch.

[G80BSM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Because you can't comfortably fit 295s, on a M2's body-width, without physically altering the quarter panel or using aftermarket spacers.

Physically enlarging the quarter panel is not possible, at the plant where it was created, due to factory limitations.

Artemis Can you please link the thread/interview where it discussed the limitations of the Leipzig plant, when designing the original M2, I can't seem to find it. Thanx!

You can actually fit 295's pretty comfortably in the rear. I am running 295/30-19 PS4S on mine without any rubbing issues. The fronts, however, are a different story.

[G80BSM]

Originally Posted by MR.

It is the cameras we use... They pick up the sound well enough. I have not driven the car on Saturday, so I cannot tell you how it was. There were four social influencers driving it; three Germans and Tim...

No space for me, else I would have shared more yesterday. I will take it out in September for a longer time than 5 laps on a track. I really want to live with it to find out what I think of it.

I will then have finished my car with all the upgrades, run the new Cup 2's and I hope I can drive it around Most circuit feeling also a bit the difference between my own and the CS.

MR

That's all fine and dandy but we really want to know more about that Camo M4 . Surely you checked that one out so give us some insights

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by S.111

You can actually fit 295's pretty comfortably in the rear. I am running 295/30-19 PS4S on mine without any rubbing issues. The fronts, however, are a different story.

I sincerely doubt you're running 295s, on stock suspension, without it rubbing but that's just me.

Anyways, I pinky promise that BMW maxed out with 265s, by necessity, not because they secretly hate the CS.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Because you can't comfortably fit 295s, on a M2's body-width, without physically altering the quarter panel or using aftermarket spacers.
Physically enlarging the quarter panel is not possible, at the plant where it was created, due to factory limitations.
Artemis Can you please link the thread/interview where it discussed the limitations of the Leipzig plant, when designing the original M2, I can't seem to find it. Thanx!

Here you go:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Keep in mind that the infrastructure at the Leipzig factory also plays a key role: prior to building the M2, a 'collision check' through the production facilities was performed (see the picture below: "Störkantendurchlauf" = interfering edges run-through - source: this video (11:21-11:40)).
If an M2 variant fails that test (too wide), it's either back to the drawing board or build the car (partially) elsewhere, or work with 'add-on' body parts. I cannot see BMW restructuring the Leipzig production facility merely for building an M2 variant.
Conclusion: M2 variant fenders can only become as wide as the "Störkantendurchlauf" test allows. Likely there's still some margin compared to the current M2, but it might be getting tight.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by S.111

You can actually fit 295's pretty comfortably in the rear. I am running 295/30-19 PS4S on mine without any rubbing issues. The fronts, however, are a different story.

When most ask, they are thinking about the 295/35 19 and don't know about the 295/30 19 fitment.

[lax01]

295s fit...just fine haha - I'll be going that route

By the way, the Euro cars have some weird black fender thing which I was hoping was awesome aero (which I didn't see on the M2CS at the LA Auto Show) - apparently its just more EU BS regulation

[G80BSM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I sincerely doubt you're running 295s, on stock suspension, without it rubbing but that's just me.

Anyways, I pinky promise that BMW maxed out with 265s, by necessity, not because they secretly hate the CS.

hahaha, I do hope that they don't secretly hate the CS.
I'm sure BMW maxed out with 265 because they had to follow certain requirements/restrictions but as someone who has been using 295 in the rears, I'm just describing my experience. I've had no rubbing issues with stock suspension. not yet at least! I have not tracked the car with 295's but rest assured, I haven't had any issues even on some pretty bumpy winding roads.

Some other members have been running 295/30 and haven't had any issues either :
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1608878
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1465661
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1465661&page=4

[G80BSM]

Originally Posted by omasou

When most ask, they are thinking about the 295/35 19 and don't know about the 295/30 19 fitment.

Ah, yes. You're right about that. I did not think about 295/35-19's either until I saw that some forum members were running that size without issues.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It's still early, that's true, but it looks as if a pattern starts to discern in early bird M2 CS reviews: 450hp is a lot of power to process for this compact car with shorter wheel base than M3/M4. Let's keep an eye on what future M2 CS reviews say about keeping the power under control: just right or unsettling ? Driving Cup2's in the rain is already something, but it looks like that will be sketchy with the M2 CS.

Fairly speaking, I'm a bit concerned.

Power is a calculated value, it's the function of the torque*rpm*"a given static conversion factor". In the real world, 550NM@3000 is just as challenging to the tire as 550@6000, while producing half the power.

The M2 CS delivers the exactly same 550NM of torque as M2C till 5230rpm, and to be precise, tapers significantly less (rather than make more) from 5500 rpm to make a peak 450 metric hp at 6250rpm. That is something everyone is neglecting. For the F80/82 ZCP which also peaks at 450ps, it takes building up to 7k rpm to reach there. That means, the M2 CS probably will have even more torque than F80/82 ZCP from 5k~7k which is a critical rev range.

To the point, the M2 CS, having the same low end torque and peak torque, will not upset the chassis more than the M2C already does.

[AUSf22]

Ooo interesting vid! I just wished he had a bit more skill to drive a tad faster.

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

Agreed, would really really like to see Chris Harris drive it...but starving for some reviews of actual driving impressions.

Yes he is definitely not a professional driver. Like you Chris would have been better, maybe he will do a video. It seems like a splendid car. Too bad I hear they are all spoken for

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Do we need Chris Harris to show us the M2C can drift around a track?

Besides, I'm pretty sure Chris already decided what M2 was worth having to HIM.

Does anyone really think anything revolutionary is going to be shared with anymore press releases, reviews or posted track times?

It's a simple $25K question . . . do YOU want it?

///AVM

I just love to watch him drive

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by particulardude

since this thread has digressed into a YouTuber critique - who else thinks Saabkyle04 Kyle Lindsey is a perfect replacement for John Davis on MotorWeek when the time comes for him to retire

I cannot stand that guy's reviews. Nothing against him personally--he is not intrinsically irritating. But way too much detail on the parts, not nearly enough detail on how the parts fit together when the car is driven. I don't need or want a manual read out loud to me with the car just sitting there. I want to know how the car feels and drives on road and track. Harris and Catchpole get it. They are also good enough drivers to know what they are talking about.

[Pol]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

@lax01 ah I see what you mean. Yeah, that is a valid point. But I doubt BMW would put in the effort to create a whole new larger wheel for just ~2,200 units. On the other hand, maybe BMW should and just make it as a M performance wheel option. After all, virtually all components in the CS are available or soon to be available in some form in the M performance catalog (eg. Spoiler, mirror caps, splitter, etc.)

Also, in many EU countries, the M2CS have already been receiving "large" discounts and seem pretty hard to move. Also keep in mind the M2CS price tag is significantly higher in EU countries with additional taxes and fees.

Discounts of 10% and more are current in Belgium.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS: 450hp & 550Nm | M4 GTS: 500hp & 600Nm. Different size - different wheel base.

Now look here, Poochie and imagine driving the M2 CS in the wet on Cup2's:

M4 GTS in EVO Car Of The Year 2016:

"I turn the wipers from frisky to frantic, transfer control of the DCT to the paddles and narrow my focus on the crimson flare of brake lights ahead barely penetrating the spray but almost semaphore active. The ease with which the M2 is keeping up - indeed, is all over - the car in front, without asking much from me, is a surprise. I'll reveal what those flashing tail lights belong to in a moment, but the first intriguing insight of the day is starting to form.
If there wasn't much to get worked up about climbing into the M2 after breakfast - the minimally massaged generic 2-series interior is comfortable,
well-designed, nicely made and easy to see out of - it's starting to work a little magic now, though somewhat against type. With its well documented love of drifting locked out by the traction and stability electronics and my desire not to drop it before a single photo has been taken, a degree of dimensionality and the more nuanced aspects of its chassis' dynamic make-up have dropped away. But not its appetite for speed across the ground, even in these filthy conditions. This will become a recurring theme throughout eCoty 2016, but the bolshie wunderkind from M makes it clear from the outset that it won't be pushed around by the big hitters. Its default position is dogged tenacity, a distillation of grip and efficient use of available grunt that remains effective come what may.
When we park up, a slightly fazed Adam Towler steps out of the M4 GTS that the M2 has just kept such close company with. He gets to the point: 'I genuinely thought the GTS wanted to deposit me in the hedge. The combination of wet roads, dry-biased tyres, that chassis with very quick steering, and the huge initial torque delivery of the engine made it almost undriveable at times, and while scary can be fun, this was just too scary.' Given the quasi-race car setup of the GTS, it would be overstating it to call this a bombshell, but it seems that on a far from smooth and evenly cambered road in slippery conditions, the on-paper £76k and 128bhp gap between the M Division's A game and its entry-level representative can be ripped up. Can't say the M2 was fun, much less a finely layered feast for the senses, but driven purely to exploit its seemingly inexhaustible ability to scavenge grip without obviously favouring the purchase of either end, and to mine the last ounce of effort from its brawny but curiously atonal motor, well, it worked a treat."

"A perfect illustration of how big a difference it can make driving a car on domestic roads in Blighty weather is made by the BMW M4 GTS. As you'll see in the final scores, this is a car that widely split opinion. Many of us hadn't driven the car before, but Henry and Dan had both experienced it on smooth and fast Iberian roads that were baked crisp by hot sun. Both came back in love with the car. My first drive in the GTS was along a wet, undulating, twisty, crusty and very challenging B-road. Turning off the traction control would have resulted in disaster and a terribly embarrassing phone call to BMW. The car, so magnificent on dry, smooth roads, was a liability or these ones."

M4 GTS and TopGear:

"And in the wet?
Bloody liability. No rear end traction whatsoever. The tyres don’t help, but the big-torque, rapid delivery engine and low-grip-commitment rear axle are a spiteful pairing. You need to be properly on your game if you’re to disable the stability control, which you sort of need to, because even if placed in M Dynamic mode, it’s a bit too keen to get involved, and it does so rather abruptly. I don’t think I’ve ever driven a car with a bigger discrepancy between dry and wet weather behavior.
Bottom line: it’s nearly the same money as a Porsche GT3 RS. Which would you have?
The Porsche every single time, but you’re talking the wrong rival. If Merc does a Black Series C63 Coupe, or even GT Coupe, that’s where this sits. It’s a burlier car than the Porsche. That’s a surgical instrument, a car for picking apart apexes (apices?), this is more of the just-wanna-have-a-good-time type machine."

I think the earlier interation of s55 torque delivery - as per F82 GTS - was a much to blame than just tyres.

M3CS and M4CS reviews on cup 2 are surely more relevant as s55 "spiky" nature was dialled out moreso on pre OPF cars especially....

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

I think the earlier interation of s55 torque delivery - as per F82 GTS - was a much to blame than just tyres.

M3CS and M4CS reviews on cup 2 are surely more relevant as s55 "spiky" nature was dialled out moreso on pre OPF cars especially....

Yes. As mentioned in many reviews of the M3/4 CS. Something along the lines of it no longer wants to kill you.

[Flashstar]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Tim looked nervous during the drive, not quite at ease.

Yes. But if BMW was invited to a presentation, then you have to go. Racing is not for him. He needs a good place and some beautiful photos for instagram.
Such tests from simple bloggers do not look very good.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by themnmd

Too bad I hear they are all spoken for

themnmd

They are not . . . I recently posted on the long-running M2CS thread that, if anyone is interested in an M2CS, my local BMW dealership has an open, first slot allocation guaranteed MRSP and, likely, a few points off.

To current, no takers in response to my post. If interested, PM me.

As I also stated, I have ZERO to gain from the exercise other than potentially helping a fellow enthusiast obtain a vehicle they would like to obtain.

///AVM

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Flashstar

Yes. But if BMW was invited to a presentation, then you have to go. Racing is not for him. He needs a good place and some beautiful photos for instagram.
Such tests from simple bloggers do not look very good.

Simple blogger - how very you dare you - Tim B aka Shmee is a social networking influencer

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

themnmd

They are not . . . I recently posted on the long-running M2CS thread that, if anyone is interested in an M2CS, my local BMW dealership has an open, first slot allocation guaranteed MRSP and, likely, a few points off.

To current, no takers in response to me post. If interested, PM me.

As I also stated, I have ZERO to gain from the exercise other than potentially helping a fellow enthusiast obtain a vehicle they would like to obtain.

///AVM

I stand corrected,

[Flashstar]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

Simple blogger - how very you dare you - Tim B aka Shmee is a social networking influencer

Good. let him hang the medal. From this, his tests on the racetracks will not get better.