BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW M2 Forum > M2 Photos, Videos and Builds > BMW M2 and M4 GTS in Sports Car Giant Test 2016 (by CAR)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-19-2016, 03:10 PM   #1
Jason
Administrator
Jason's Avatar
United_States
25094
Rep
20,150
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

BMW M2 and M4 GTS in Sports Car Giant Test 2016 (by CAR)

Appreciate 10
      10-19-2016, 04:42 PM   #2
Gatte
Major
Gatte's Avatar
1180
Rep
1,268
Posts

Drives: anything with 4 wheels.
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Vista, CA

iTrader: (0)

Was just on the M4 GTS forum where people were thrashing Jason Cammisa from Motor trend for critiquing the M4 GTS and implying that he was partial to US made cars.

Looks like even the European reviewers aren't too impressed with it.
Appreciate 1
      10-19-2016, 04:56 PM   #3
raysspl
Brigadier General
raysspl's Avatar
987
Rep
3,012
Posts

Drives: walking, bicycle, & bus
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Difficult to say Jason Cammisa is partial to US cars when he has 2 VWs...
__________________
re
Appreciate 1
amw896560.00

      10-19-2016, 05:03 PM   #4
BoosTonian
Lieutenant Colonel
BoosTonian's Avatar
United_States
740
Rep
1,528
Posts

Drives: 2017 INFINITI Q60 RS
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Yikes.

Guess having a blistering Nurburgring time isn't good enough anymore lol
__________________
2017 INFINITI Q60 RS - AMS | NITTO | STILLEN

retired: e82 135, F80, e92 M3, e90 M3, (2) e92 335, B8 S4, C209 CLK55 AMG, e46 330
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 05:03 PM   #5
swagon
Brigadier General
swagon's Avatar
No_Country
4966
Rep
4,992
Posts

Drives: E82|F80|6MT
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: .

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by raysspl View Post
Difficult to say Jason Cammisa is partial to US cars when he has 2 VWs...
and an E30 and a 190E.
__________________
Appreciate 1
      10-19-2016, 05:05 PM   #6
Crimson92
Smiling Politely
Crimson92's Avatar
United_States
640
Rep
28,862
Posts

Drives: Like a boss
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Whales Vagina

iTrader: (3)

People just can't admit that the GTS/F8X M just isn't better than the rest of the competition.
__________________
Quote:
Some people are like slinkies...not really good for much but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs"
Appreciate 12
Bosozoku658.00
amw896560.00
M-Pilot4461.00
6ixSpd5019.50
Gatte1180.00
Trued108.00

      10-19-2016, 05:11 PM   #7
AW335TT
Major
Armenia
539
Rep
1,420
Posts

Drives: a car
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: North Hollywood, CA

iTrader: (0)

Chris Harris was also disappointed by the M4 GTS.
__________________
Appreciate 1
Trued108.00

      10-19-2016, 05:13 PM   #8
Advevo
Major
442
Rep
1,133
Posts

Drives: M2, E30 M3 DTM
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Country where the taxes are too high!!

iTrader: (0)

The car is just to big. Big cars get boring to drive.

Sometimes bmw has gold in there hands. But the next series is always bigger and less agile.

They did the same with the 1m coupe and m2.

The size of the 1m coupe was perfect. The m2 is bigger and more easy to drive fast. The m4 is even more easy to drive Fast.

So stop making sporty cars bigger. I drove today an 130i. It was so nice to steer that little car around corners.

Last edited by Advevo; 10-20-2016 at 03:36 AM..
Appreciate 5
      10-19-2016, 05:26 PM   #9
YungDro
Major
1032
Rep
1,160
Posts

Drives: -
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

thread closed....

Last edited by YungDro; 12-10-2019 at 07:13 PM..
Appreciate 1
ORIGIN M.3115.00

      10-19-2016, 05:27 PM   #10
Stage IV
NAMR6MT
United_States
2692
Rep
1,637
Posts

Drives: 2007 Cayman S
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Chester County, PA

iTrader: (0)

For the M2 to get even one first place vote amongst those awesome sports cars speaks volumes. I'd like to see the final point tally.
__________________
987.1 CS|6MT|Basalt black|sport chrono|manual seats|SOUL exhaust and headers|Softronic tune|Numeric SSK

Flat Six Innovations 3.8L Stage II Performer engine being built
Appreciate 6
Bosozoku658.00
Mdecisive211.00
AlexCirci479.00
ried619.00
Artemis12027.00

      10-19-2016, 05:39 PM   #11
BruceM
Major
941
Rep
1,119
Posts

Drives: '17 6MT MG M2,930,Jag XKR 5.0
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by YungDro View Post
since when?
He did a recent review of 18 top cars on a European track somewhere. He did not like the M4 GTS.
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 05:55 PM   #12
F32Fleet
Major General
F32Fleet's Avatar
United_States
1909
Rep
8,384
Posts

Drives: 2015 435i
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Southeastern US

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson92
People just can't admit that the GTS/F8X M just isn't better than the rest of the competition.
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
__________________
"Drive more, worry less. "

435i, MPPK, MPE, M-Sport Line
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 06:47 PM   #13
Bosozoku
Almost completely sane
Bosozoku's Avatar
United_States
658
Rep
1,035
Posts

Drives: '17 M2, '00 S2000
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
I'm sure they'll go up in value as collectors items.
Not to worry.
__________________
'17 BMW M2 (BSM 6MT Exec CarPlay, TechnicPnP ASD bypass, IND M Perf shift knob + keyhole cover, Pedal Haus pedals + heel plate, 3M CR90 tint, BavSound Ghost woofers, Rogue Engineering strut tower brace, Dinan midpipe, Turner rear shifter bushing)
'00 Honda S2000 (Silverstone Metallic, black leather, factory titanium shift knob + front lip + trunk spoiler, front shock tower brace, front subframe x-brace)
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 06:56 PM   #14
bimmermaus650
Private
bimmermaus650's Avatar
United_States
63
Rep
79
Posts

Drives: BMW F13 650i
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (0)

I absolutely love the Giulia
__________________

F13 650i M Sport Space Gray/Vermillion Red "Gisele"
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 07:06 PM   #15
SeanWRT
Colonel
SeanWRT's Avatar
2571
Rep
2,341
Posts

Drives: E90 M3 & F87 M2
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Shanghai

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosozoku
Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
I'm sure they'll go up in value as collectors items.
Not to worry.
LE things sold great used very much because they are great on its own, CSL for example. There are plenty of example of LEs that wasn't that sought after - m3 GTS for example, because it wasn't that great though it still arguably drives better than the GTS in question.

If you have to spend 150k on indulgence/luxury items hoping for a value appreciation, look somewhere else. Inside or outside of car category, you will find much better return of investment.

That being said, collectibility may or may not be one of the only few things left in GTS. Other than that, a powerful stripped sedan based coupe says it all.
__________________
Lemania 2320
Appreciate 2
      10-19-2016, 07:09 PM   #16
Osiris
Second Lieutenant
Osiris's Avatar
United_States
41
Rep
269
Posts

Drives: 1M
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosozoku
Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
I'm sure they'll go up in value as collectors items.
Not to worry.
I hope it will at least in USA since its first one we get here. But I am still rather surprised at the reviews. The people on the forum who got theirs seem impressed. Maybe they can shed some more light on this discrepancy.
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 07:12 PM   #17
Crimson92
Smiling Politely
Crimson92's Avatar
United_States
640
Rep
28,862
Posts

Drives: Like a boss
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Whales Vagina

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosozoku
Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
I'm sure they'll go up in value as collectors items.
Not to worry.
I hope it will at least in USA since its first one we get here. But I am still rather surprised at the reviews. The people on the forum who got theirs seem impressed. Maybe they can shed some more light on this discrepancy.
You wouldn't spend 150k on something and bash it. There's going to be some bias with the owners.
__________________
Quote:
Some people are like slinkies...not really good for much but you can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs"
Appreciate 4
      10-19-2016, 07:19 PM   #18
ilikebmxbikes
Brigadier General
ilikebmxbikes's Avatar
1484
Rep
4,736
Posts

Drives: S65 1M Clone & E92 M3 4.6L
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (42)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson92
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosozoku
Quote:
Originally Posted by F32Fleet View Post
Just imagine how some board members that acquired one feel.
I'm sure they'll go up in value as collectors items.
Not to worry.
I hope it will at least in USA since its first one we get here. But I am still rather surprised at the reviews. The people on the forum who got theirs seem impressed. Maybe they can shed some more light on this discrepancy.
You wouldn't spend 150k on something and bash it. There's going to be some bias with the owners.
More so than any magazine reviewer that's for sure. I think the m4 gts is an awesome package. I think it being promoted as a super
Limited track monster m4 sets high expectations which it is having difficulty fulfilling at its price point and especially at its marked up price point.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 08:27 PM   #19
Diver
Brigadier General
Diver's Avatar
United_States
440
Rep
3,614
Posts

Drives: Black '12 135i - Sold
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

The M4 GTS is very expensive and might be trying to be a luxury car and a sports car at the same time. I have never felt comfortable with BMW forcing nav and other luxury features on all M car buyers.
__________________
Appreciate 1
      10-19-2016, 08:44 PM   #20
AW335TT
Major
Armenia
539
Rep
1,420
Posts

Drives: a car
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: North Hollywood, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by YungDro
Quote:
Originally Posted by AW335TT View Post
Chris Harris was also disappointed by the M4 GTS.
since when?
http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-...d-week-special
__________________
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 08:55 PM   #21
RPChan
BMW for Life
RPChan's Avatar
United_States
134
Rep
210
Posts

Drives: 08 e93 M3 HT
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
No surprise here. Admittedly I take these reviews with a grain of salt. Everyone is different and has select preferences based upon a variety of factors. Who cares what a group of journalists say about a car over a three day time span? Only a few of the cars in the test would be a reasonable "daily driver". The others are cars for pure driving enjoyment. If I am going to the track or driving on a long journey I will be driving German, likely BMW. If I want to go for a drive and get pure enjoyment I will drive Italian. I remember when Randy Probst said the 1M was the worst car he had ever driven, that he hated the car. It seems to have done ok. I watched the MT video and didn't find it that harsh. More tongue in check than actual criticism. Regardless I am confident that most people will want to check out a M4 GTS when they see one as the likelihood of seeing one will be a rare experience.
Appreciate 0
      10-19-2016, 11:48 PM   #22
FogCityM3
Colonel
FogCityM3's Avatar
480
Rep
2,400
Posts

Drives: M3 (E90) & Porsche GT3 RS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Not only did the M4 GTS disappoint, they basically said it was inferior to the 5 year old E92 M3 GTS AND the new M2. For 911 GT3 pricing, the GT3 is a far superior choice.
Appreciate 2
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:38 PM.




m2
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST