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All new cars are expensive. Porsche is more expensive. The new AMG GT53 four door is $100k plus. AMG has massive depreciation. All new cars are expensive especially luxury brands. Hopefully BMW is re-thinking the price of the CS. There is always the used car market. Last edited by Hegge; 12-09-2019 at 07:10 AM.. |
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If you look at the post above yours, the 2200 M2CS is among the highest of the CS cars... For the 1200 some M3CS's sold, I see 2 regularly near me, cruising the interstates. I've seen at least 3 different M4 GTS's here in Charlotte, the latest being a heavily modified one at C&C. You can't compare a Porsche's most well known and highly regarded car ever, to a small German coupe with some carbon bits. Not quite the same. |
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12-09-2019, 09:32 AM | #620 |
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I guess I was trying to show how all luxury cars are expensive. Regarding the 2,200 number, only around 500 are for the US.
I agree with you regarding Porsche being in a different league. I do agree that the M2 CS is not a unicorn but it won't be readily available for long. I wish I could reasonably afford a Carrera S or GT3 without hurting my budget. I think the 992 GT3 will be awesome. My point here is the M2 CS at around $88K with DCT is still around $50K less than the 911 Carrera S that I built at $137K. I don't think CCB's are worth it, plus future buyers on the resale markets may not want it. At least the M2 CS is limited, they will be building 992 Carrera S for the next 7 years. I don't think there will be many M2 CS on the lot in 2021, whereas there will be no problem getting a Carrera S in 2021. I think the M2 CS is a good bridge car to a future 911. I'm not pleased with how the G Series M3 and M4 look with the grille, no DCT, AWD, bigger cars, more weight, etc. Plus the G Series M3 and M4 will have a price increase which I'm sure people will be griping about next year this time. Last edited by Hegge; 12-09-2019 at 09:37 AM.. |
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Yep - I think you're right, that the CS will end up being awesome. Just the price that's hard to come to grips with...I am leaning towards getting something else at this point, unless there's a pleasant surprise on the US pricing front.
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12-09-2019, 10:21 AM | #623 | |
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I do think the current F gen cars will hold value though, especially considering how the G series are panning out. I wouldn't be surprised if the F's resale values stagnate when the new models come out based off sheer looks alone. After the M2C though, a Gen V Viper is on my list, and then super end goal for me is a 991.2 GT3 in manual, purple preferred. I've got a long ways until I'm in a place to consider buying either one. |
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Weighing up the M2CS versus Porsche offerings is an apple vs. oranges comparison, no?
Understanding that nearly all BMWs are a front engine/rear drive layout that offers 4 seats and more versatility and practicality to what Porsche has on offer in the same price bracket (a Cayman or Boxter in S or maybe GTS trim) then the M2CS is a more compelling offer with the practicality that it adds. If you don't need a back seat or a trunk then go buy a Porsche, nobody is stopping you! I agree that at $83k USD the value is harder to justify... and it should be closer to $75k USD as many people have already said. Concerning the weight, it is the F87 chassis with nearly all development thrown at it (other than a lithium ion battery, CF front fenders, CF trunk and maybe a CF driveshaft). What more can be done? Do you want a car with no interior or no sound deadening? So many people complain that they want a lighter car. All cars are getting heavier right now. Reading the complaints you would think that BMW deliberately made it heavier! How much does the new C8 Corvette weigh? The new 992? The Mustang GT350 or GT500? There are so many posts of complaining that the weight is too high. Okay, so if BMW did put EVERYTHING they have into the CS how much more weight would it lose? Another 50lbs? Ok, so then that would be the magic number and everyone would stop complaining then, right? No? then go buy a Porsche or a Lotus! Oh, wait you need a back seat and they're too expensive? All of this and nobody has even driven the car yet! It's funny to read all of the bitching that was posted about the 1M when the specs were released on that. Same old story; "parts bin car" "not special enough" etc, etc.
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I swear, some of guys here just love to play Devil's Advocate..
A couple of months ago, the M2C was offered a 24k individual paint job. I lamented that the M2 target demographic will and can't pay for such an option. Some of you guys swore up and down that the M2 appeals to the 1%-ers and then engaged in a heated debate about its greatness https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=24825425 Now, BMW is actually offering an upgraded vehicle, with free paint, for coincidently 24k more but this time they're trying to rip off their consumers. 85k is a lot of money for a vehicle but it's an appropriate price considering that's it's a limited edition model (I know, "parts-bin") and commanders a higher MSRP to recoup the cost of development, when divided by only 2,200 units worldwide. Just let it be and if it's too expensive for your budget, the M2C is still and will always be a great value. |
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I bought the M4CS because it's a great car. The best of this generation f80/82. I love almost everything about it. But I work hard for my money and don't believe in flushing money down the toilet. Im blessed with not having to count pennies but I don't like being made the fool by BMW when they say the M4CS is worth 210 K Australian new. The joke is on them. And I'm not paying $150 K for a 2 series parts bin car that wears a fake CS badge - sorry. Not because I can't afford it - it's just not smart. The M2 comp is the sweet spot for me price wise but the interior seat leather lacks compared to the M3/M4. A Porsche carerra GTS low mileage will be my next car largely because it's a phenomenal drive and engine plus bmw won't be offering a DCT in the next M3/M4 and that's a deal breaker. The big grill is the final nail in the coffin for me and I'll be moving on. At 220-250K near new the Porsche is a little overpriced but they hold value very well over a 4 year lease which helps when I need to move it on. |
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If the M2 Comp didn't exist with the recent S55 swap. Everyone would say the CS pricing makes sense, because it got the M motor/cooling and base M2 has a N55. But the M2 Comp replaced the N55 M2 and only got a $5k bump, with a motor swap and air to water cooling...that makes CS pricing look high.
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Good thread in the track section with an experienced driver setting up his M2. Most seem to stick their noses up at the adaptive suspension, but I thought this was an interesting comment.
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If you only want one car - and the two options are Porsche and BMW - then you either want a Porsche or BMW for how different they are across models . . . not because of the similarities.
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I think most of the unrest about the price is, what exactly does the CS add? We have an unrestricted S55, which is great, but the rest is some carbon bits, lack of keyless entry, lack of dual zone climate, lack of arm rest, some different colors, a carbon roof, limited production, and a CS slapped onto the side of the M2.
If money were no object (as in a couple mill), I would 100% buy one just for exclusivity. Problem is, money is an object, and I don't see where the extra $23,000 went. |
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I believe it's easy to see where the extra coin went if looking at everything that was added from an MSRP of components. However as most have shown the parts can be had much cheaper. Most seem to have an issue with the performance per dollar perspective.
I still believe we continue to have two intertwined discussions that keep resulting in conflicting debate because both sides have a reasonable case for their point. 1. Which is the quicker, faster, more refined factory version? 2. Which version is the best value? My opinion 1. It is clearly the CS, and it should be as potentially last of this M2 iteration, more dedication to squeaking out everything from this chassis in a reliable warrantied form. 2. The C is the better value when considering weight, and tunability from a purely cost for performance perspective. Folks can either pay for the best iteration of this generation, or pay for the best value of this generation and modify until their hearts content. There's no right or wrong but personal preference. |
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Like I said though, if money were no object, I would get the M2CS just for exclusivity sake. In the meantime, I will modify my M2C and perfectly content. |
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MSRP of overpriced BMW parts. Agreed that the premium comes from paying for factory parts, which are most often more expensive than the aftermarket. And not necessarily better. I have no experience with Mperformance parts so can not speak to how they compare to aftermarket.
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I hope so, but we'll see where pricing lands. If you ever see an ultra blue f-type running around, then it's likely me. What part of Charlotte are you in?
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