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500 lbs is a lot but the M2 has a LOT more comfort features. If bmw comes out with a GTS type M2 it would be a better Apples to apples comparison
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This is directly comparing the two cars so that's why I said what I did. 500lbs is a massive amount of weight for electronics and comfort items regardless of what trim/model it comes in. At the end of the day they're both still 2 door coupes with very, very similar dimensions.
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Its not red, its actually Sunset Orange which can sometimes look a bit red-ish depending on how the light hits it. I do wonder what an Imola Red M2 would look like though...
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SMG is the reason I hated my e46 m3 and sold it after only 3 months, what a trash trans...would easily take the comp over the csl
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And yet people say that csl is the car they wish they had. I think people don't realize they would have to deal with that transmission.
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If M2 Competition was $120,000 today they could probably have been able to afford some serious weight reduction but we can see where they had to save money vs. the F8x M3/M4 - the M2 ends up weighing just as much as the significantly larger F8x models because it lacks the carbon roof, carbon driveshaft, carbon trunk (of the M4), etc. despite actually being shorter than the E46 and actually being closer in length to the E36 3 series! I'm not saying I disagree with you, the CSL was and still is a hugely impressive vehicle but there's no way to replicate that at the M2 Competition's price level. In my opinion, allllll the cool shit we get for such a small price bump over the original M2 is pretty damn impressive and I think M2 Competition is one of the bargains of the century (as long as you don't try to lease it). Last edited by Remonster; 02-08-2019 at 12:55 AM. |
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Are people forgetting about the whole slew of carbon fiber M Performance parts BMW released for the M2? There's your spiritual CSL successor right there, but without the crap SMG transmission.
The only downside to the M2 Competition is the connected twin kidney grille. I've come to appreciate the connected grille on every new BMW model except for the M2 Comp, which is such a shame because it's the complete driving enthusiast package otherwise and my favorite BMW right now. The shape they chose to outline the kidneys is awful compared to the other new designs like on the G20, F90, G05, etc. The M2's looks like a silly mustache by comparison, and the fact that there is less real estate on the front to begin with makes it appear that much more gaudy and out of place. Please BMW, I'm okay with the connected design if that's where things are going, but for the love of God, just revise the outline's shape on the next M2 variant so it doesn't look so goofy and out of place. Then again, if there was one car that didn't need the connected grille to begin with, it would have been the M2 Competition. It's not even a new generation car, and IMHO didn't warrant any grille changes from the OG F87 M2. They just made it look stupid for nothing. Okay, rant over.
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The M2 is and never will be iconic, there's nothing unique about the car, they're essentially parts bin specials from bmw m and they made are still making them in the thousands per month...
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I'm probably one of the greatest E46 fanatics on earth... owned several E46 and also the biggest E46 forum in the german speaking area....
![]() The E46 M3 CSL is an absolut icon and truly legendary car. It is the reason for my deep love to BMW and I cannot remember having more fun driving a car other than the E46 M3 CSL. It's so absolutely precise, light, fast AND it had all the drama one could ever need. My decision was between a used E46 M3 CSL and the M2 Competition. For me the M2 Competition is the modern reincarnation of the E46 M3, same size, same proportions, very similar style, and all of todays bells and whistle's a DRIVERS CAR needs. For the sake of daily drivability and not buying an E46 for the third time I took the M2C and don't regret it for a single second. ![]() But i'm still deeply in love with the E46 M3 CSL... ![]()
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The M2C is just an M car, and a good one at it, but heavy. It feels far more brutal in responses and doesn’t have the same delicacy covering ground. The CSL is very special. Light, manic, exploitable. Why do you think most sideways pic on the road where of the CSL? Does ithe M2C have character? Absolutely. Is it the same character as the CSL? Absolutely not. These journalists sometimes just feel the need to type and be dramatic, doesn’t mean they’re right.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the main gripe with the SMG from a driving experience point of view? The time I have spend in an E46 M3 has been with a MT, so I don't have a frame of reference.
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But at that time it was pretty amazing!
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I think that makes sense - the gripes don't seem to be centered on how the SMG felt or operated, but rather, that is was a reliability PITA and expensive to fix, which I understand.
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Two of my favorite cars, just need an M2 comp to complete the pic. My M3 CSL Clone is good enough for me.
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This comparison is putting the two cars next to each other in a direct comparison, stating the M2 has the DNA of the CSL. Sadly it does not, the only thing it shares with the CSL is that they're both rwd coupes with an I6 and a bmw badge on the trunk...
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