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Trained designer eyes of a BMW X5 designer commenting on the new 4-series design language: see from 06:27 to 13:43:
From Summer 2019: BMW Provoked Global Reaction To Oversize Grille On Purpose
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Having seen the new M3, M4, iNext etc... I haven't seen a new car since the 8 series that I've liked.
I've completely lost faith in BMW's direction as a sports/fun car enthusiast. If you like luxury or fast autobahn yachts then sure... but if you want a fun car... I've lost hope. I am not just talking about the aesthetic design. The new M3 and M4 are substantially heavier despite all the expensive carbon. I got myself an M2C before they halt production. If BMW find their way back to 'ultimate driving machine' then I'll reconsider but I'm not holding my breath. I'm just happy I have my M2C. |
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11-14-2020, 09:07 AM | #50 |
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As far as I'm concerned, everything hinges on the G87 for me. All my Ms currently are NA so I'd like to own at least one FI car before the manuals are killed off. If the G87 doesn't turn out the way I want, I could always revert back to the F87C, maybe even a CS in about 5 years.
I think people on this forum are counting out the G87 way too fast 1) I never ever judge a car by amateur or even magazine photshops. I followed the F87 since before this subgroup even existed and not one looked as good as end product 2) I don't see much of a point in comparing that car with the G80/2. Sure the weight is not ideal, but has anyone driven one? I don't judge a car purely by specs. I don't care about lap times and 3s acceleration, nor do I care that people complained about the F87 not being that much lighter than F82 (or did we forget that all of a sudden) Please do understand I love the F87, and might still pull the trigger on a used one later. I just think that if the G87 ends up being the very last manual 6MT car M ever makes, it certainly deserves a chance. |
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11-15-2020, 11:35 PM | #51 | |
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11-16-2020, 07:00 AM | #52 | |
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- I think the F87C rides just fine, my E36 M3 and the Z4MR have a stiffer ride and one came like that from factory. Never had the chance to drive an M3/4 CS, although my E92 M3 rides amazing. - S55 didn't sound great, but just like the E46 M3, it eventually evolved into a good sounding engine in the Z4M. Still not the absolute best sounding I6 BMW has ever made, but I'm OK with it, and from my test drive Friday, I'd be ok with leaving it as is. I've got a lot of seat time in the S58, and it's an evolution, rather than revolution in terms of exhaust sound. N55T is a good engine, but to me does not have remotely the character of an S55. - Agreed with the steering, this will be an interesting one. My biggest concern is how the S58 will drive in the G87. I'm desperately eager to read reviews and test drive the G80/2 myself with a manual. I find the S55 supremely linear, whereas the S58 in the F97/8 has to be in the right setting and right RPM (ie over 3.5-4k to really wake up). Those are some big shoes for the G87 to fill, but I'm excited we still get cars like these. I think this era is coming to an end unfortunately.
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Also agree BMW are very aware of the polarized reactions to the new M3/M4 - and I bet they like the general reaction. When the 7er was dramatically redesigned in 2001, it got a lot of attention, most of it negative. Yet we know what happened after that - ppl went out and bought a ton of them. I proffer that many of these early 21st century 7-series buyers bought it cz they wanted to be seen in a car that ppl were talking about - something getting a lot of attention. It doesn't matter that most of the attention was negative - they just wanted any attention, sort of like when your dog misbehaves when you're ignoring it (a scolding is apparently better than being ignored).
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Intend on keeping & enjoying my F87 for some time, it's also far from finished yet.
Only future BMW I would even consider would be the G87 & given BMWs current ethos of building barges targeted at the every day motorist rather than enthusiasts I'll more than likely be moving to a Cayman, Alpine or Exige when the time comes.
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I can't see any logical reason to change out the M2 for a different car in the near future. Just changing cars to have the latest and greatest seems silly and wasteful.
If anything, I'll add more cars rather than just trading out something perfectly good at its intended purpose. |
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I'm considering to get the G81 Touring (wagon) as the kid hauler but will keep my M2c. Biggest drawback for me on the G81 is lack of manual offering (and no DCT as a fallback).
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"Question: Some BMW fans, as their comments on social media show, are appalled by the huge BMW kidneys that adorn the front of new models. What to make of the new Munich opulence ?
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