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I started a thread here just over a year ago about the onset of socialism in North America but most people said i was fear mongering and that there was no imminent threat of socialism.
How about now?
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Yup, the cattle here will gladly vote for anyone that says “free” the most.
How far we have fallen.
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And this is how we've gotten to the point there's no longer 2 sexes, but an infinite number. If you can pump enough "stupid" into kids that they'll disown their instincts, their common sense, their culture and the entire Western intellectual tradition, they become very easy to govern. They're just "tax cattle." And this was precisely the goal all along.
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![]() If any, this is a result of libertarianism, aka result of extensive political and social freedom.
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1960's: Medicare and Medicaid Students loan program is highly socialistic.
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So just north of the border we have a parliamentary system of government and a multi party system which is a curse and a blessing. In the recent election our re-elected PM won with about 34% of the vote. He is a liberal, a party that used to be in roughly the centre of the political spectrum. They have moved so far left over the past decade or two that the NDP which is a socialist party is almost indistinguishable from them, and then we have the Green Party who is well pretty socialist and really all about environmental issues, then we have the Bloc who are a Nationalist party in Quebec only, and openly and only advocate for that province and are way farther left than the Liberals. All this to say that about 60-70% of Canadians voted for a left or farther left leaning party in the last election. The blessing is it's a multi party system. If they every combined forces we'd be full on socialism in a decade. Early comments were correct, much of this nonsense is coming out of the school system starting in kindergarten and right through college and university. The teacher and professors are all unionized and the unions are pushing the agenda through education.
I've started posing the question to all of the left learners, when you get all the "free stuff" you're asking for and slowly getting now, then what? When the government is giving you everything, then what. Because it won't stop there, everyone will want fair and equal pay regardless of what they do, because if there are rich people then the playing field will have to levelled. And that is full socialism slipping into communism. Sounds like the sky is falling but look at Venezuela. A few short years ago a wealthy country and now you need to line up for government supplied toilet paper. Yup, it's free. Last edited by Salty Dog; 12-03-2019 at 08:52 AM.. |
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Ah - but according to the fools who push this baloney - that wasn't real socialism. Real socialism would work great, they say. Bunch of morons - the lot of them.
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So if I understand that argument it's more of a paper exercise/philosophical thing since there isn't an example of "real socialism" actually being tried and succeeding. |
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Marxism, communism, nazism, fascism whatever north korea and cuba has is not 'real' socialism since real socialism spawn out of the french revolution and it was between the third estate vs the 2nd and 1st and all that resulted was show trails, theft and murder..... which is the common theme with any verison of socialism
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Freedom to contradict natural laws and the natural order of things ends in chaos, and chaos is the opposite of freedom. Postmodernist theory falls apart in practice, which is to be expected given its origin.
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The usual response has nothing to do with any of the abject failures, they always talk about Sweden, Finland, Canada etc...... |
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There are a couple of dominant excuses as to why it's failed every time it's been tried. One can be paraphrased as "Well, that's because they didn't do it right," and another as "It failed because [Mao|Stalin|Pol Pot|Castro] and the others in power abused it for their own benefit." Socialism goes against the innate human sense of fairness and the right to benefit directly from our own efforts and abilities. For this reason, it can never work.
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