[thomps]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

A 4cyl is a very good powertrain in cars meant to be lightweight such as the Lotus Exige or the Alfa Romeo 4C. The F22 isn't that type of lightweight cars do you have an idea about the weight target for the M2?

That concern has carried on throughout this thread and is a very reasonable one.

But Elises and 4Cs are not the only high-performing four cylinders. Evos and STis have been making it work quite well for the last ten years at 3,300+ lbs and with an extra pair of doors to drag around. Something tells me that given access to reportedly game-changing lightweight technology and two years to refine it, ///M can produce a lighter, more nimble M2.

My guess: 4 cyl, twin-scroll turbo, 365hp, 3,260lbs, satisfied buyers.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by basiluf

The CLA45 is 3619 lbs. It seems to do fairly well. I would guess that the M2 would come in around a max of 3300lbs, but it should be fairly less.

Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec
Standing -mile: 12.8 sec @ 110 mph
Top speed (gear limited): 158 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 152 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.94 g

We'll see but those figures are really close of what the 1m could do. So I hope it is going to be better than that. Scott once say that we can expect up to 380ps out of the S20 so if the weight is down to 3300lbs it should perform well but will sound like a louder 320i doing so which is not a good thing. It all depend of the power figure but I'm still doubtfull about long term reliability, power delivery, smoothness, sound and turbo lag of the S20.

[BMWJS]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

For the M2 to be competitive and succeed the 1er M Coupe it needs to take the advantage of the new lightweight engineering philosophy that has started with the BMW M4. The BMW M4 is no longer the entry model having moved to make room for the M2.

Using a Four Cylinder abides to the M Philosophy of Precision over Performance and focusing on lightweight engineering as well as positioning.
M is not about the numbers there will be competitors with greater numbers because it is a pissing contest , but with pin-point accurate precision a BMW M can still piss around a corner.

I prefer for the M2 to piss around a corner with a 6 cylinder!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

I'd like to think that if as seems likely the M2 gets a 4 cyl engine, BMW won't bother fitting the silly quad exhausts..... it's silly enough on a 6 cyl, but please, there's no need for such stupid style trinkets any more.

If lightweight is where it's going, a light weight exhaust should be standard not some heavy pointless quad exit system to appease the "well if it's not got a quad exhaust it's not an ///M car and I won't buy it brigade"

I believe that Scoot had mentioned somewhere that the M2 will have quad exhaust pipes.

But I tend to agree with you - if this car is to be all about lightness, then extra tailpipes may not be the best plan ??? Unless they're more highly functional somehow..

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I believe that Scoot had mentioned somewhere that the M2 will have quad exhaust pipes.

But I tend to agree with you - if this car is to be all about lightness, then extra tailpipes may not be the best plan ??? Unless they're more highly functional somehow..

agreed....however most likely they are probably just going to be split at the end as they are in some other cars with quad pipes and 4 bangers like the Audi S3 and Audi TTS. Kinda wacky if you ask me.....they should go back to functionality over form if they are really aiming for a purposeful performance car.

[Matski]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M is not about the numbers there will be competitors with greater numbers because it is a pissing contest , but with pin-point accurate precision a BMW M can still piss around a corner.

Genius

[IEDEI]

so ynguldyn who posts in the 'general BMW discussion' section gets early information about engines and cars.

he just posted this today.....from yesterday.

N55!? a different engine code than the N55 that's in my 135is or M235i. So maybe this is a new configuration of the N55?

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3/1/14 UPDATE
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- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto

(Yes, same engine as X4 M40i, so I'm guessing 350-360hp?)

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=953325

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

so ynguldyn who posts in the 'general BMW discussion' section gets early information about engines and cars.

he just posted this today.....from yesterday.

N55!? a different engine code than the N55 that's in my 135is or M235i. So maybe this is a new configuration of the N55?

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3/1/14 UPDATE
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- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto

(Yes, same engine as X4 M40i, so I'm guessing 350-360hp?)

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=953325

PLEASE BE TRUE!! I mean honestly...if the RS3 is gonna have 5 cyl, M2 must have 6 to gain more of the market.

[BMW269]

Makes sense. BMW found it too expensive to develop a high revving I4 for just one car, the M2, because the X1 M and X2 M don't really need such an engine. A 300 PS 2.0l I4 based on the normal B48 is enough and it is doable.

So it is likely there won't be any X1 M and X2 M but just X1 M35i and X2 M35i (or whatever engine number they'll give it) with a more powerful version of B48.

Of course the M2 will not get a detuned M4 engine, too expensive, so just a tuned M235i engine.

Still makes little sense to have two same engine for M235i and M2 but just with different output. More so, if all N55 engines are to be replaced by N58, why will the M2 get an old engine?

With the M2, we'll have the same story as with the 1M, perfect M car, but lacking a true M engine (like S63 or S55).

Cayman GT4 will be the car: 2900 lbs, 400 PS, manual!

[BMWJS]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

so ynguldyn who posts in the 'general BMW discussion' section gets early information about engines and cars.

he just posted this today.....from yesterday.

N55!? a different engine code than the N55 that's in my 135is or M235i. So maybe this is a new configuration of the N55?

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3/1/14 UPDATE
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- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto

(Yes, same engine as X4 M40i, so I'm guessing 350-360hp?)

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=953325

Very encouraging infomation!

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

so ynguldyn who posts in the 'general BMW discussion' section gets early information about engines and cars.

he just posted this today.....from yesterday.

N55!? a different engine code than the N55 that's in my 135is or M235i. So maybe this is a new configuration of the N55?

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3/1/14 UPDATE
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- BMW M2, N55B30T0, manual and auto

(Yes, same engine as X4 M40i, so I'm guessing 350-360hp?)

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=953325

If this is true ----->

That made my day!

[Kouper]

In the April Car and Driver received today, "25 Cars Worth Waiting For" names the 2017 M2 as one and says it "will surely be powered by BMW's potent S55 3.0 liter six." For what it's worth...
Nice picture of the car included with the article too.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw that this was previously mentioned in post #518. Old news.

[Tåst]

N55 is little bit lame on M2. You know, it delivers all power lot before redline, because that allow to make torque on lower revs. I expect more. Something what Scott sayer before. Like 190bhp/l output (roughly same than Mclaren P1) and redline 8trpm. That is an engine what M2 needs.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Kouper

In the April Car and Driver received today, "25 Cars Worth Waiting For" names the 2017 M2 as one and says it "will surely be powered by BMW's potent S55 3.0 liter six." For what it's worth...
Nice picture of the car included with the article too.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw that this was previously mentioned in post #518. Old news.

I don't think it will be 2017. I'm thinking 2015 or 2016 tops.....as a 2015 introduction.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

I don't think it will be 2017. I'm thinking 2015 or 2016 tops.....as a 2015 introduction.

No way they introduce the M2 in 2015. Sales on the M3/4 would drop too fast. Spy shots in 2015, introduced in early 2016, come as MY2016 or MY2017.

[flyga3]

My Jesus do those renderings look good!
BMW make it so!

[aspensilver]

So much for precision Pee Pee.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by scottp999

Assuming everyone has seen the April 2014 Car and Driver issue with the 2017 M2 as one of the 25 cars worth waiting for? Did they get anything right? Like twin turbo S55 3.0 liter six cylinder, or 400+ horses, rev to 7600 rpm, about 3300lbs? Thoughts on the picture?

& @Kouper


Your right with the model year 2017(sales) but not with the engine. It will be a N55 version for the M2. It will just make a little bit more hp than it does now with the PPK.

[BMW269]

So at the end of the day, M2 will cost more than M4, taking a swap to S55 into consideration. No interest anymore.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by Levi

So at the end of the day, M2 will cost more than M4, taking a swap to S55 into consideration. No interest anymore.

Who said anything about price? Surely the M2 will be priced under the M3/M4 range.

[sdpauly]

Put me in the camp of 'I don't care if it costs the same or even more than the M4'

If they put the S55 drivetrain in the M2, with all the other M goodies, and it's a couple hundred pounds lighter than the M4, and smaller and more nimble. Then why should it cost LESS? I would gladly pay the same or more for an M2 that outperforms an M4.

I'm not trying to get an M4 on the cheap, I'm trying to get the same recipe as M4 but SMALLER.

[4corners]

The whole idea behind a true "M" is that it is derived from racing. Lost since the E30, according to purists. It's only logical the M2 would follow the M235i Racing to establish the true "M" formula again.