[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

I'd like to think that if as seems likely the M2 gets a 4 cyl engine, BMW won't bother fitting the silly quad exhausts..... it's silly enough on a 6 cyl, but please, there's no need for such stupid style trinkets any more.

If lightweight is where it's going, a light weight exhaust should be standard not some heavy pointless quad exit system to appease the "well if it's not got a quad exhaust it's not an ///M car and I won't buy it brigade"

A dual exhaust tip setup placed right in the middle...like old school BMWs. But, then again, people will say that it reminds them of a Mini Cooper S.

[Red Bread]

Or a Golf R, a Brabus Smart, a Fiesta ST or a Boxster/Cayman. Anything is better than the stupid quad setup.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

A dual exhaust tip setup placed right in the middle...like old school BMWs. But, then again, people will say that it reminds them of a Mini Cooper S.

BMW never placed the exhaust squarely in the center/middle. They were always offset to one side.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

BMW never placed the exhaust squarely in the center/middle. They were always offset to one side.


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Zing! I stand corrected!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by 4corners

The whole idea behind a true "M" is that it is derived from racing. Lost since the E30, according to purists. It's only logical the M2 would follow the M235i Racing to establish the true "M" formula again.

Which is what I think that they may do...the body kit will be similar but possible use of carbon fiber---roof, and other parts, and the engine turned up to 365-380.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by 4corners

The whole idea behind a true "M" is that it is derived from racing. Lost since the E30, according to purists. It's only logical the M2 would follow the M235i Racing to establish the true "M" formula again.

That is, IMO, the primary reason for the existence of the M235i Racing. Expect to hear a lot about the link in M2 advertising.

[SukSqueezeBangBlo]

To me it seems like the m235i will gain a 4cyl turbo motor and maybe lose its "m" badge. The M2 will come in with the n55 motor, high tuned and reworked.

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

The M2 is going to be made to compete with the Benz CLA AMG and RS3. As we already know, the CLA starts at $48k. The 1M started at $47k. I see the M2 starting no more than $49k-$50k range. $5k-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense.

There's no way it will start around the $55k+ range. BMW would lose a lot of market if that were to be the case and they are smarter than that.

No way will the M2 be competing with the RS3.

The M2 will be competing with the A / CLA 45 and the S3 Plus and Golf R Evo / Plus, which will be running the 2.0 Lt I4 with 375 hp and close to 475 Nm.

I understand there are a lot of passionate posters here on 2 who would all love to see the M2 with an I6, but deep down we all know it is a foregone conclusion that it will be an I4.

There is a new breed of buyer out there, and they are hungry for high performance 2.0 Lt I4's, and if BMW doesn't get on the bandwagon they will be left behind. They have to have a product available to entice a prospective buyer into the BMW fold, else they risk losing that person forever to AMG / Audi / VW. The idea being that they can get that person into the entry level M car, being the M2, and then develop them over time as buyers of M3/4, M5/6, and retain that person as an M faithful.

With regard to the next RS3, that is going to be something entirely different, it will most likely compete with the M3/4 for straight line speed and track times, the 2.5 Lt I5 is going to have over 400 hp and close to 500 Nm, so the I4 in the M2 isn't even going to come close.

[M.barnes]

What would be the point in basing it on the m235i racing. Might as well start from scratch as the m235i racing uses m235i engine, 8spd, etc etc. better to just start with a shell.

Also can't see bmw using stick on arches on a £60k m car

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Wilson

No way will the M2 be competing with the RS3.

The M2 will be competing with the A / CLA 45 and the S3 Plus and Golf R Evo / Plus, which will be running the 2.0 Lt I4 with 375 hp and close to 475 Nm.

I understand there are a lot of passionate posters here on 2 who would all love to see the M2 with an I6, but deep down we all know it is a foregone conclusion that it will be an I4.

There is a new breed of buyer out there, and they are hungry for high performance 2.0 Lt I4's, and if BMW doesn't get on the bandwagon they will be left behind. They have to have a product available to entice a prospective buyer into the BMW fold, else they risk losing that person forever to AMG / Audi / VW. The idea being that they can get that person into the entry level M car, being the M2, and then develop them over time as buyers of M3/4, M5/6, and retain that person as an M faithful.

With regard to the next RS3, that is going to be something entirely different, it will most likely compete with the M3/4 for straight line speed and track times, the 2.5 Lt I5 is going to have over 400 hp and close to 500 Nm, so the I4 in the M2 isn't even going to come close.

LOL. it's been a while since I've read such a long post where every single point made is totally wrong! congratulations!

there is no indication that the RS3 will be "over 400hp" except for automotive tabloid magazines. the real info which is coming out from Audi suggesting a 5 cylinder with an increase over the last generation, but to about 365-375hp. The S3 'plus' will probably be 320-330hp.

btw, I guess you haven't been following the latest developments that confirmed that the M2 is definitely an I6......NOT a 4 banger. So that is out....

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by M.barnes

What would be the point in basing it on the m235i racing. Might as well start from scratch as the m235i racing uses m235i engine, 8spd, etc etc. better to just start with a shell.

Also can't see bmw using stick on arches on a £60k m car

Did they really say it would be "based on" the M235i Racing though? The language I've read says that they will take "lessons learned" from the M235i Racing.

I hate to be too cynical, but I feel like most of it is marketing speak anyway. The M235i Racing is a really cool car, but when you look at the package, it becomes clear what the priorities are.

* The bodywork is a bolt-on job
* The engine and transmission are straight out of the stock car
* The entire chassis is a production car

Priority #1 was keeping the price reasonable. That's an admirable goal, but it limited just how hardcore the M235i Racing could be. A large part of me believes that the M235i Racing is primarily a marketing initiative. BMW M knows that "racing heritage" sells M-cars, so the creation of a racing program around the M235i is an organic way to build racing credibility for the new model.

I'm not trying to bash the M235i Racing, or the program, or BMW M for making these decisions. I think they're really smart, and I'm glad they're supporting grassroots racing! But it's important to keep in mind when contemplating the yet-to-be-released M2.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

btw, I guess you haven't been following the latest developments that confirmed that the M2 is definitely an I6......NOT a 4 banger. So that is out....

Nothing has been confirmed. There are conflicting rumors floating around. It won't be "confirmed" until someone at BMW M issues a press release with some official information. Until then, it's one guy's rumors against another.

Note: I'm not saying it will be an I4. I'm saying that in general, the word "confirmed" should be reserved for actual confirmations from BMW, not rumors.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

I guess you haven't been following the latest developments that confirmed that the M2 is definitely an I6......NOT a 4 banger. So that is out....

^^+1.

Yes, we know the M2 (internally is called the F87) and will be powered by a N55B30T0 six.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

^^+1.

Yes, we know the M2 (internally is called the F87) and will be powered by a N55B30T0 six.

It will not be an N motor. It will be an S motor. I'm hoping for 4cyl.

T

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

It will not be an N motor. It will be an S motor. I'm hoping for 4cyl.

T

That is not what my sources tell me. In about two years we should know who's right. And btw... the 1M did not have an "S" motor either.

Dack

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

LOL. it's been a while since I've read such a long post where every single point made is totally wrong! congratulations!

there is no indication that the RS3 will be "over 400hp" except for automotive tabloid magazines. the real info which is coming out from Audi suggesting a 5 cylinder with an increase over the last generation, but to about 365-375hp. The S3 'plus' will probably be 320-330hp.

btw, I guess you haven't been following the latest developments that confirmed that the M2 is definitely an I6......NOT a 4 banger. So that is out....

IEDEI, please provide details of your 'confirmed information', until you can show otherwise my research looks good.

The I4's from the German manufactures will be competing with each other, no way Audi will allow their I5 to be dragged into that fight, its well above it. The only way BMW can compete with the RS3 is to use an I6 in the M2, I wish you were right, but sadly no.

Has @Scott26 detracted from saying the M2 will be an I4? if so please direct me to that 'latest development'.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

That is not what my sources tell me. In about two years we should know who's right. And btw... the 1M did not have an "S" motor either.

Dack

Your info is most likely correct.
At least @ynguldyn has given credible info that the car will have the i6 engine,that even Scott26 seems to be confirming is true and we still get people saying the car will come with th i4.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901686

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Wilson

IEDEI, please provide details of your 'confirmed information', until you can show otherwise my research looks good.

The I4's from the German manufactures will be competing with each other, no way Audi will allow their I5 to be dragged into that fight, its well above it. The only way BMW can compete with the RS3 is to use an I6 in the M2, I wish you were right, but sadly no.

Has @Scott26 detracted from saying the M2 will be an I4? if so please direct me to that 'latest development'.

Here you go,read this.


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[aspensilver]

Originally Posted by Wilson

IEDEI, please provide details of your 'confirmed information', until you can show otherwise my research looks good.

The I4's from the German manufactures will be competing with each other, no way Audi will allow their I5 to be dragged into that fight, its well above it. The only way BMW can compete with the RS3 is to use an I6 in the M2, I wish you were right, but sadly no.

Has @Scott26 detracted from saying the M2 will be an I4? if so please direct me to that 'latest development'.

Seriously you are behind: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=953325
Try a google search next time.

Also @Scott26 has backpedaled from his pissing around corners rants and now seems to be claiming he was talking about something else. Basically don't listen to Scott.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

That is not what my sources tell me. In about two years we should know who's right. And btw... the 1M did not have an "S" motor either.

Dack

We've been guessing whether it's a 4 or 6 cyl in the m2 longer than BMW spent putting the 1m together.

They are building it from ground up as an ///M car not a tweaked m235i.

It will be an S motor. They need an S motor that's 2l for the m2 x1 x3 x4 etc. lots of m cars coming.

T

[Wilson]

ok, I stand corrected, (in regards to the M2 having an I4, other info is still considered accurate at this time). If this does go through to production then happy days for all.

I now return to my dark corner!

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by Wilson

ok, I stand corrected, if this does go through to production then happy days for all.

I now return to my dark corner!

Your post was entertaining I give that !!!