[KSAF]

Did anyone notice the carbon fibre roof with sandwich design?

Personally, I don't like it. It doesn't match the other carbon fibre parts!

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by KSAF

Did anyone notice the carbon fibre roof with sandwich design?

Personally, I don't like it. It doesn't match the other carbon fibre parts!

Yes, I really like it. The larger weave is stronger than the smaller weave. BMW posted an article on it somewhere. Not M2CS specific, but discussing carbon fiber tech

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

dude the 1M was $48k brand new for a base model... it was an absolute bargain and was limited... that car was sold out before it hit showrooms; it was the smallest M car effectively for almost 20 years... now i would venture to say 1/3 of them are wrecked... its a very unique scenario for value but certainly not because it was a good car... it never handled well, was super twitchy and many argues that it was a bolt on 135i... the fact that a base m235i later came and beat it anywhere proved that; now its value is left solely due to rarity

cars.com currently shows 17 for sale; how do u think that will affect value?

So now it's has to be expensive to be special?

Look, obviously we disagree about the 1M in the annals of BMW and M lore.

Not the best handling M? Not special
Wasn't expensive enough? Not special
Newer models are faster? Not special

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KSAF

Did anyone notice the carbon fibre roof with sandwich design?

Personally, I don't like it. It doesn't match the other carbon fibre parts!

The CF roofs have always been designed in that weave.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Jockey

So now it's has to be expensive to be special?

Look, obviously we disagree about the 1M in the annals of BMW and M lore.

Not the best handling M? Not special
Wasn't expensive enough? Not special
Newer models are faster? Not special

what makes is special?

[dgm3]

Originally Posted by pz619

So based on that latest screenshot. 1650 kg is about the same as the M2 competition. Do i have this right?

Yes, at least in Europe exactly the same weight for M2C and M2CS : 1550 kg DIN / 1625 kg EU for the manual and 1575 kg DIN / 1650 kg EU for the DCT .
I already alluded this after the Brussels preview :

Apparently no claim by BMW of any weight saving
Update: Regarding the weight I asked twice. First time I was told that BMW does not claim any saving for this car (vs the M2C). I asked again to another BMW person later and after checking his laptop he said weights look identical. I stealthily saw the screen and could read in 2 columns 1575 kg. If this a EU weight it would correspond to 1500 kg (a figure mentionned to another forum member) DIN, representing a 50 kg saving vs the M2C manual. If 1575 kg is a DIN weight it could be a figure for the DCT version but in that case would just be identical to the M2C with DCT. From what we know about the car I hardly see how they could have gained 50 kgs. I suspect that if there is any gain it is relatively modest and therefore not worth to advertise.

I understand that weight homologation in Europe should now be made on the base car (i.e without any option). A base M2C in Europe has no sport brakes, no HK sound system, manual standard seats,... A base M2CS will have sport brakes, HK sound system, electrical (?) competiton seats, adjustable suspension, additional carbon pieces . Looks like the low weight parts ( carbon hood/roof , wheels, ...) just compensate these, hence explaining the identical weights.

[Throttleblip]

Very surprised by the carbon weave pattern of the roof (vs the M4 and other carbon parts that have a tiny weave). Hope this is not the case in the production car. All carbon bits should look the same in terms of weave pattern.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Fast track times do not special car make

Welcome to the forum, Yoda.

[stefan]

Woah.. 500 in the US? Are these even going to get driven?

[sq86]

I like it and I'll take mine in BSM with a manual.

That being said price will be the big driver here. A M2C could be a good value if you want to mod it yourself but remember a CF hood and roof plus wheels will be $10k not including install. This doesn't include any of the other bits: steering wheel, lip spoiler, rear deck lid spoiler, diffuser, exhaust (which is needed to get rid of the utters no matter what), etc.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what makes is special?

First, it's one-of-a-kind. Not another trim level ala ZCP, CS, etc.

Second, it was heralded at the time as the return of M to its roots. Sure, it wasn't the fastest and there are "civic" models of BMW that are faster.

It hasn't depreciated. It's still sought after.

Sure, it's only a 1 series but so what.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by devo

It was listed at MSRP.

The opportunity for a 997.2 GT3 arose, so I jumped on that instead.

Smart move. Very smart.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Jockey

First, it's one-of-a-kind. Not another trim level ala ZCP, CS, etc.

Second, it was heralded at the time as the return of M to its roots. Sure, it wasn't the fastest and there are "civic" models of BMW that are faster.

It hasn't depreciated. It's still sought after.

Sure, it's only a 1 series but so what.

It also had a non M motor aka the N54 like the OG M2 which everyone whined about... it also had the same six speed... hype built the 1M sorry...

at least an M2C has a standalone motor that is only shared w M cars, a dct that is only shared w M cars... and thr car actually looks good. I had an FBO 135i w coils and drove a 1M back to back... the 135i was better wo questions.

[seis-speed]

Not sure why the 1M is a topic....It is amazing IMO, but if it it is not your thing, then it is not your thing.

That is the beauty of being a car enthusiast, we all like what we like and get to make the choice on what we drive and own.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by dgm3

Yes, at least in Europe exactly the same weight for M2C and M2CS : 1550 kg DIN / 1625 kg EU for the manual and 1575 kg DIN / 1650 kg EU for the DCT .
I already alluded this after the Brussels preview :

Apparently no claim by BMW of any weight saving
Update: Regarding the weight I asked twice. First time I was told that BMW does not claim any saving for this car (vs the M2C). I asked again to another BMW person later and after checking his laptop he said weights look identical. I stealthily saw the screen and could read in 2 columns 1575 kg. If this a EU weight it would correspond to 1500 kg (a figure mentionned to another forum member) DIN, representing a 50 kg saving vs the M2C manual. If 1575 kg is a DIN weight it could be a figure for the DCT version but in that case would just be identical to the M2C with DCT. From what we know about the car I hardly see how they could have gained 50 kgs. I suspect that if there is any gain it is relatively modest and therefore not worth to advertise.

I understand that weight homologation in Europe should now be made on the base car (i.e without any option). A base M2C in Europe has no sport brakes, no HK sound system, manual standard seats,... A base M2CS will have sport brakes, HK sound system, electrical (?) competiton seats, adjustable suspension, additional carbon pieces . Looks like the low weight parts ( carbon hood/roof , wheels, ...) just compensate these, hence explaining the identical weights.

In The M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim Thread.

They weighed the M2C and the M2CS

M2C weight: 1631kg or 3595.73lbs

M2CS weight: 1588kg or 3500.94lbs

M2CS was lighter by 43kg or 94.79lbs

[diavliyo]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Base price = 6-speed manual transmission + non-metallic body color (Alpine White).

• Base price for Germany (source: BMW Group PressClub Deutschland - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei 95.000 Euro."

• Base price for Belgium and Luxembourg (source: BMW Group PressClub Belux - see here (FR) and here (NL)):

  "Prices for the BMW M2 CS start at €96.500 for Belgium and €93.350 for Luxembourg."

• Base price for France (source: BMW Group PressClub France - see here):

  "Tarif au 6 novembre 2019 de la BMW M2 CS: 99 800 €"

• Base price for the United Kingdom (source: BMW Group PressClub UK - see here):

  "Prices start from £75,320 OTR."

• Base price for Switzerland (source: BMW Group PressClub Schweiz - see here):

  "Der Einstiegspreis für den BMW M2 CS liegt bei CHF 114'900.-"

and the price for Spain please

[sq86]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

In The M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim Thread.

They weighed the M2C and the M2CS

M2C weight: 1631kg or 3595.73lbs

M2CS weight: 1588kg or 3500.94lbs

M2CS was lighter by 43kg or 94.79lbs

If I go on a diet I could see 1/3 of that from me lol.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

In The M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim Thread.

They weighed the M2C and the M2CS

M2C weight: 1631kg or 3595.73lbs

M2CS weight: 1588kg or 3500.94lbs

M2CS was lighter by 43kg or 94.79lbs

Sad just sad. And that 43kg is from the optional Carbon Brakes!! People need to wake up and realize they are getting that exact same car with some carbon and engine tune and don’t forget a $20-30k usd price jump.

[dgm3]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

In The M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim Thread.

They weighed the M2C and the M2CS

M2C weight: 1631kg or 3595.73lbs

M2CS weight: 1588kg or 3500.94lbs

M2CS was lighter by 43kg or 94.79lbs

The M2CS had the ceramic brakes and the M2C had probably like most M2C on the road in Europe few heavy options like the sport brakes/electrical sport seats, hence the 43 kg difference. Would they had tested a real base EU M2C (something probably impossible to find on the market) figures would have been closer, the difference being just the ceramic brakes.

Bottom line if you compare (in Europe) a base M2C and a base M2CS weight will be identical. If you compare (in Europe) a typically optioned M2C and a M2CS with ceramics the weight difference will be around 50 kg.

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by ASAP

dude the 1M was $48k brand new for a base model... it was an absolute bargain and was limited... that car was sold out before it hit showrooms; it was the smallest M car effectively for almost 20 years... now i would venture to say 1/3 of them are wrecked... its a very unique scenario for value but certainly not because it was a good car... it never handled well, was super twitchy and many argues that it was a bolt on 135i... the fact that a base m235i later came and beat it anywhere proved that; now its value is left solely due to rarity

cars.com currently shows 17 for sale; how do u think that will affect value?

17 on the market here in the USA won't effect value one bit.

There are 80+ GT4's on the market at any given time! Don't think that matters much either!

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what makes is special?

Drive one spiritedly for an hour on some back country roads, then talk to me about it 😎

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It also had a non M motor aka the N54 like the OG M2 which everyone whined about... it also had the same six speed... hype built the 1M sorry...

at least an M2C has a standalone motor that is only shared w M cars, a dct that is only shared w M cars... and thr car actually looks good. I had an FBO 135i w coils and drove a 1M back to back... the 135i was better wo questions.

I mean, cool?

Grasping at straws if you want to compare modified to stock.

Hype makes cars special too. If people aren't excited about a car, it'll never be special.