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      02-10-2019, 10:39 PM   #1
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M2C Brake Pad Recommendations?

So, I'm planning my first track day with my M2C. Have any of you run these brakes stock? I'm planning on upgrading the fluid but I was wondering if the stock brakes will handle the abuse? They sure look like they can. I did look around at a couple of sites for pads but couldn't find them for the M2C. Maybe I wasn't looking well enough?
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      02-11-2019, 07:35 AM   #2
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So, I'm planning my first track day with my M2C. Have any of you run these brakes stock? I'm planning on upgrading the fluid but I was wondering if the stock brakes will handle the abuse? They sure look like they can. I did look around at a couple of sites for pads but couldn't find them for the M2C. Maybe I wasn't looking well enough?
I ran stock last October and overheated the pads. Minimum recommmended changes for HPDE are fluid (Motul RBF 660 or Castrol SRF). Variety of pads options exist. Consult with your local shop for recommendations. I was going to upgrade to PFC 012s.
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      02-11-2019, 08:02 AM   #3
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So, I'm planning my first track day with my M2C. Have any of you run these brakes stock? I'm planning on upgrading the fluid but I was wondering if the stock brakes will handle the abuse? They sure look like they can. I did look around at a couple of sites for pads but couldn't find them for the M2C. Maybe I wasn't looking well enough?
Do not run stock pads. While it may be ok if you take it easy, you run the risk of damaging your rotors pretty bad.

I plan on running ferodo DS1.11 pads on the front and DS2500 in the rear. The nice thing about the DS1.11 is, it's pretty close in compound to the DS2500s, which can be used on the street. So I can get away with just swapping the fronts in track day, and not have to worry about rebedding before and after each event.
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Do not run stock pads. While it may be ok if you take it easy, you run the risk of damaging your rotors pretty bad.

I plan on running ferodo DS1.11 pads on the front and DS2500 in the rear. The nice thing about the DS1.11 is, it's pretty close in compound to the DS2500s, which can be used on the street. So I can get away with just swapping the fronts in track day, and not have to worry about rebedding before and after each event.
I will be running this exact set up on my AP Racing BBK's when I get them fitted to the car. Jeff Ritter from Essex Parts (where I bought the AP brakes) spoke about the DS2500 and DS1.11s having the same compound, which reduced the need to bed the DS2500s back in after the track day. Can't wait to try them out!
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      02-11-2019, 06:21 PM   #5
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Do not run stock pads. While it may be ok if you take it easy, you run the risk of damaging your rotors pretty bad.

I plan on running ferodo DS1.11 pads on the front and DS2500 in the rear. The nice thing about the DS1.11 is, it's pretty close in compound to the DS2500s, which can be used on the street. So I can get away with just swapping the fronts in track day, and not have to worry about rebedding before and after each event.
I will be running this exact set up on my AP Racing BBK's when I get them fitted to the car. Jeff Ritter from Essex Parts (where I bought the AP brakes) spoke about the DS2500 and DS1.11s having the same compound, which reduced the need to bed the DS2500s back in after the track day. Can't wait to try them out!
Yup. And being a beginner/intermediate driver, I really don't need full DS1.11's all around. The DS2500s should be fine in the rear. Will know better after a handful of track days.
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where do you get the ferodo from for the US M2C?
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What are the pad shape numbers?
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What are the pad shape numbers?
the front ones are the same as the M5/M6
the rears same as Nissan GT-R
ferodo ds2500 front FCP4712H rear FCP1281H
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      03-21-2019, 12:09 PM   #9
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Honestly if it's your first event, you'll probably be fine on stock pads with upgraded fluid. If you really want upgraded pads, PFC08's are great. I ran them on my spec E46 and I think I'm running them on my street E46 as well. Plenty of stopping power, but they won't overwhelm street tires and they have good feel without too much initial bite.

Also, don't go crazy spending too much on brake fluid. Motul RBF600 or ATE are fine.
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Do not run stock pads. While it may be ok if you take it easy, you run the risk of damaging your rotors pretty bad.

I plan on running ferodo DS1.11 pads on the front and DS2500 in the rear. The nice thing about the DS1.11 is, it's pretty close in compound to the DS2500s, which can be used on the street. So I can get away with just swapping the fronts in track day, and not have to worry about rebedding before and after each event.
Given the sensitive DSC and EBD on these cars, I highly recommend running the same friction coefficients on these cars.

Otherwise you risk getting weird behavior, or worse too much brake force on the front causing excessive wear.

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Honestly if it's your first event, you'll probably be fine on stock pads with upgraded fluid. If you really want upgraded pads, PFC08's are great. I ran them on my spec E46 and I think I'm running them on my street E46 as well. Plenty of stopping power, but they won't overwhelm street tires and they have good feel without too much initial bite.

Also, don't go crazy spending too much on brake fluid. Motul RBF600 or ATE are fine.
Not a fan of RBF600. Easily cooked, or gets mushy really quick. Especially if you put daily miles on it.

RBF660 or better IMHO. I really like ProjectMu G4. Torque RT700 is good too, but I found that it really starts absorbing moisture quickly.
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The product finder on the PFC website is trash.

Did pfc make pfc11's for the m2c?
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      05-06-2019, 09:54 AM   #12
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dtc 60 all day.
I just did a 2 day event about 3 hrs of track time. 0 fade and my face hurt.
This is the very last run of the event.
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Hey, nice driving and I love that vantage point! Thanks for posting.

Hawk has good stopping power with DTC60, but they don't tend to last very long and you better wash the dust off soon after you use them. It is corrosive particularly after it gets wet.
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Have a deal with bimmerworld so gave the XP12 front and XP10 rear a shot. Will report back after EC7's show up and can actually track the thing.

Would have gone PFC but they don't make the front pad shape (yet).
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Iíve used that combination on my Mustang. Great stopping power. I was very happy with fade resistance and speed shedding abilities. On the Mustang the XP12 only lasted 4 days though. XP10 would last 7 to 8 but if I used them on the front Iíd get uneven deposits and some shudder.
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Iíve used that combination on my Mustang. Great stopping power. I was very happy with fade resistance and speed shedding abilities. On the Mustang the XP12 only lasted 4 days though. XP10 would last 7 to 8 but if I used them on the front Iíd get uneven deposits and some shudder.
How thin did you get the fronts after the 4 days?
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~3.5mm or so. Too thin to run again. I actually bent the backing plates on my 2nd set of front XP10s bu running them too thin. Learned my lesson.
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I’ve used that combination on my Mustang. Great stopping power. I was very happy with fade resistance and speed shedding abilities. On the Mustang the XP12 only lasted 4 days though. XP10 would last 7 to 8 but if I used them on the front I’d get uneven deposits and some shudder.
Get a rotor hone and put it on a cordless drill and you can blast all the deposits off your rotors and re-bed the pads. You may also need more brake cooling.
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You are correct sir. Max temp of XP10 is 1400F and they leave deposits over that. Cooling would have helped, but i was lazy so I went for xp 12s instead, which are good up to 2000F.

Based on my last 2 track days in the M2 it seems like it could also use brake cooling. Any reasonable kits out there?
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You are correct sir. Max temp of XP10 is 1400F and they leave deposits over that. Cooling would have helped, but i was lazy so I went for xp 12s instead, which are good up to 2000F.

Based on my last 2 track days in the M2 it seems like it could also use brake cooling. Any reasonable kits out there?
I put those Porsche scoops on the control arms that are less than $10. Probably don't do anything.
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I put those Porsche scoops on the control arms that are less than $10. Probably don't do anything.
Did you cut open the backing plate some for the air to flow in?

Iíve had these on my fronts for a while and they help. Adding them to the rear next week bc the rears are still getting too hot.
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Did you cut open the backing plate some for the air to flow in?

Iíve had these on my fronts for a while and they help. Adding them to the rear next week bc the rears are still getting too hot.
Not a bad idea may do that when the new wheels get in.
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