[NSXR]

Originally Posted by Jack White

I respectfully disagree. I often run errands in my m2c, and one of those errands is to replace (4) 5 gallon water bottles. I can absolutely feel the weight. Granted, the comparison would be much different with better distribution, but 150 lbs can be felt, even by a largely unskilled and inarticulate driver such as myself.

The '97 NSX weighs 3,100 lbs and many people say they can feel the weight of a 180 lb passenger. I myself cannot. But I agree that it's down to how sensitive you are, and where the weight is.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Jack White

I respectfully disagree. I often run errands in my m2c, and one of those errands is to replace (4) 5 gallon water bottles. I can absolutely feel the weight. Granted, the comparison would be much different with better distribution, but 150 lbs can be felt, even by a largely unskilled and inarticulate driver such as myself.

The distribution in the 1M and the M2s are nearly identical. All are roughly 52/48.

[Jack White]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The distribution in the 1M and the M2s are nearly identical. All are roughly 52/48.

Oh I was thinking I can feel 150 lbs much easier if it’s in the trunk, rather than the passenger seat. It was much more of an effect in my older, lighter car (golf R).
I’d love to drive the 1M, f87, and g87 to feel the perceived weight differences.

[powerplaymike]

Originally Posted by Jack White

I respectfully disagree. I often run errands in my m2c, and one of those errands is to replace (4) 5 gallon water bottles. I can absolutely feel the weight. Granted, the comparison would be much different with better distribution, but 150 lbs can be felt, even by a largely unskilled and inarticulate driver such as myself.

Pics of safely fitting 4x five gallon water jugs in M2 please

[Jack White]

Originally Posted by powerplaymike

Pics of safely fitting 4x five gallon water jugs in M2 please

It really is a grocery getter.

[powerplaymike]

Originally Posted by Jack White

It really is a grocery getter.

Oh wow! Nicely done! I thought you were being a little facetious about the 4 jugs 😂

[changster]

If you can't feel the weight it just means you don't do much performance driving. No disrespect. You guys should drive a GR86 too through the touge or on track and feel how that car is... it's a great feeling to drive a light car. Or a Lotus Exige Sport 390 or Exige Cup... it give you perspective on what a light car feels like.

Anyways back to the 1M vs M2C... yes you can absolutely feel the weight but at the same time you can also feel the track width of the M2C (a good thing as well).

My 1M has Recaro PP's and rear seat delete to get to 1420kg. My M2C also have Recaro PP's but kept the rear seats. It's very like for like in terms of what's done for weight.

I said this elsewhere as well on the M2C - the powertrain is just phenomenal. That S55 revs to 7500 which I can think of no other turbocharged engine that revs there. You have to jump to Mclaren's for high revving turbo engines (I've driven a 750S on track once FYI). The S55 even with its OEM DMFW still feels so revvy. It's lovely. The N54 in the 1M is not bad but when you have an S55 to compare it to it's night and day.

[Telluride]

Originally Posted by changster

... My 1M has Recaro PP's and rear seat delete to get to 1420kg. My M2C also have Recaro PP's but kept the rear seats. It's very like for like in terms of what's done for weight...

I eventually expect to go Recaro PP's too. Any reason for NOT deleting your M2C's rear seats? Big part of my doing PP's will be for weight savings. Being of a similar mindset you have me curious. Thanks!

[changster]

Originally Posted by Telluride

I eventually expect to go Recaro PP's too. Any reason for NOT deleting your M2C's rear seats? Big part of my doing PP's will be for weight savings. Being of a similar mindset you have me curious. Thanks!

It's only because I've done these clubsport type of builds already and the 1M was that car. I didn't want to go down the same route in the M2C.

For the M2C, for me it's front seats, catless downpipe, and the stage 2 OTS MHD tune. Awesome to drive anywhere except hardcore performance driving. Performance driving yes, hardcore performance driving no (on this setup).

Most annoying thing about the M2C manual is the center console gets in the way of shifting. Your elbow needs to be well in the air to shift. I want to do a center console delete so nothing hits my elbow.

[Mr. Jonathan]

Originally Posted by Toad

Here are some stats from the market where I live. Low population + ultra aggressive tax regime = small sample size:

- 18 cars for sale: 10 M2's, 8 M2C's

- Roughly 60% of the cars modified (either a little or a lot)

- Only one manual, an M2C

- Avg. asking price M2: $62,900

- Avg. asking price M2C: $71,400

So only a 13.5% premium for a M2C over an M2, which is part of the reason I went with the M2C.

"Fun"-fact: On the M2C the DCT was a -$2900 option. In other words, you saved $2900 if you ticked the option for the DCT.

Where to you live? No way those asking prices are USD…

[Jack White]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

Where to you live? No way those asking prices are USD…

Looks like he’s in Norway.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jonathan

Where to you live? No way those asking prices are USD…

As Jack White says, Norway.

Tax used to be based on HP, displacement and weight, sort of like a luxury-/envy tax, but over the years it has gradually shifted towards CO2 and NOx.

A brand new M3 is almost 160k here, and a gallon of 93 is $7.5...

In other words:

- It drives an electric car, or else it gets the hose again

This M2 is my tiny, and very expensive, rebellion.

[Telluride]

Originally Posted by changster

It's only because I've done these clubsport type of builds already and the 1M was that car. I didn't want to go down the same route in the M2C.

For the M2C, for me it's front seats, catless downpipe, and the stage 2 OTS MHD tune. Awesome to drive anywhere except hardcore performance driving. Performance driving yes, hardcore performance driving no (on this setup).

Most annoying thing about the M2C manual is the center console gets in the way of shifting. Your elbow needs to be well in the air to shift. I want to do a center console delete so nothing hits my elbow.

Ahh. Got it. Thought you might have figured out a trick way to keep the rear seats usable with PP's installed.

Regarding shifter, I have never had a center console issue. I will not say this was because of smart planning but rather dumb luck. I got a ssk installed with a 30% reduction in throw. With shifter already sitting low and my expectation the ssk reduction would require more muscle, I asked the builder to lengthen the shifter rod for increased leverage. He could do up to one extra inch which we did.

However, I did not account for was this making the alcantara shifter boot too short. Hence, I had to get a new shifter boot sewn.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Toad

As Jack White says, Norway.

Tax used to be based on HP, displacement and weight, sort of like a luxury-/envy tax, but over the years it has gradually shifted towards CO2 and NOx.

A brand new M3 is almost 160k here, and a gallon of 93 is $7.5...

In other words:

- It drives an electric car, or else it gets the hose again

This M2 is my tiny, and very expensive, rebellion.

Damn, and I (as an American) thought it was bad being a car enthusiast over here in Germany.

Envy tax is a nice way to put it. Tax may better here, but the envy is definitely there.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by Neusser

Damn, and I (as an American) thought it was bad being a car enthusiast over here in Germany.

Envy tax is a nice way to put it. Tax may better here, but the envy is definitely there.

Yeah, it's so annoying, and it's not even the worst country in Europe. A new M3 is like $300k in Denmark lmao

The excuse for the CO2-/NOx -tax is, of course, global warming. I'm against this tax, but that's maybe another discussion.
The old HP- and displacement tax however, was made out of pure greed and envy. "If you really want to stand out, you can, but we're gonna make you bleed for it". It's rooted in "Janteloven" i think, in english: "The law of Jante" It's prevalent in Scandinavia, and probably in a lesser degree in many other parts of Europe. Luckily it has gotten less, and less, prevalent over the last 20 years.

It's one of those things that I've always liked about the US. People go thumbs up and "Hey man, nice car!", at least that's my impression.

[phinsn98_2]

Originally Posted by Toad

LMAO! It has always baffled me how Dougs channel got so much traction. I don't know of a single reviewer that makes my blood boil, other than Doug..

His reviews are 95% "Oh look ain't that neat?" and 5% of actual driving. He's featured some truly special cars, I remember watching the SL65 AMG Black Series review, and after 20mins of babbling through his shitty mic, he finally drove the car. All the footage is of his mug, none of the road. And what do you know, he just sort of drives it slowly in the city, giving it a quarter throttle, goes "Oh boy, haha" and thats basically it...

And all his reviews are like that. He NEVER even revs the engine out.

I don't expect amateurs like Doug to drive these cars at 9/10ths, or even 8/10ths, but I don't think he has actually ever driven a car past 5/10ths in one of his videos..

I have to give it to him though, he must be one of the most profitable car guys on Youtube. He spends zero on equipment, same shitty mic, same shitty cam, same shitty post processing, same shitty roads, same shitty content.. and LOTS of views!

I agree, I can’t watch him babble…

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by phinsn98_2

I agree, I can’t watch him babble…

DeMuro always had an air of grift about him.