[Alex_bm]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

You won't miss the m3 at all. Macan is IMO more fun to drive. It has better steering feel, the throttle response is incredible, and the engine and exhaust note are actually pleasing and sound downright good. Plus you don't have traction issues and can really plant your foot down and have fun.
It's like having a practical Cayman S.

Driven the Macan S when it first came out. Steering was light and vague. It was most certainly able to put the power down, but the power came so seamless that it was zero fun even going at 100mph.
The chassis are amazing but mostly tuned for for practicality rather than having fun.

I would take m235 vs Macan any day as a fun daily driver. Forget the M3 and Cayman, those cars are in a whole different world.
Macan would be an awesome wife's car, however cargo space is limited for a family of 4.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Porsche ranks as one of the top, if not the top, in quality and reliability.

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[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Alex_bm

Driven the Macan S when it first came out. Steering was light and vague. It was most certainly able to put the power down, but the power came so seamless that it was zero fun even going at 100mph.
The chassis are amazing but mostly tuned for for practicality rather than having fun.

I would take m235 vs Macan any day as a fun daily driver. Forget the M3 and Cayman, those cars are in a whole different world.
Macan would be an awesome wife's car, however cargo space is limited for a family of 4.

It's no 911 in terms of feel but definitely better than most cars. I find the car to be a lot of fun and really enjoy what it offers. Easy to lay in the throttle and really provides a level of practicality I need for a daily driver.
I also disagree on being geared towards practicality. It's geared for fun driving, and all you need to do it hit the sport butting or sport + and it plays the duality factor as good if not better than any car. Plus with things like ptv and pasm it definitely makes for fun driving.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

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I'll just leave this here but the results of the past 10-15 years are about the same every year for Porsche.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I'll just leave this here but the results of the past 10-15 years are about the same every year for Porsche.

Could you leave some *relevant * data ?

15 years of initial quality rating doesn't have anything to do with reliability ..

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

That's because the M2 manual is actually faster than the M2 DCT around a track !

Wait what ?

This isn't the first time an M2 DCT has been bested by a manual gearbox. It's happened with a comparison to a 1M also.

Could it be that a HUMAN selecting gears around the track is better than a computer ??

Indeed! It all comes down to gut feel, and computers just don't have that.

[Coulson T]

I too, vote knob and a pointless comparison.......................

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I'll just leave this here but the results of the past 10-15 years are about the same every year for Porsche.

JD power survey for the UK and not a Porsche in sight

Porsche over the years have been riddled with problems with their engines and drive train.I've had two 911's and both have had major engine problems.The only engine that was any good was the Metzger.

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[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

That's because the M2 manual is actually faster than the M2 DCT around a track !

Wait what ?

This isn't the first time an M2 DCT has been bested by a manual gearbox. It's happened with a comparison to a 1M also.

Could it be that a HUMAN selecting gears around the track is better than a computer ??

This is mister James Disdale driving the M2 and Focus RS at the same track @ 46.7 (DCT).

This is probably due to the fact he is another HUMAN being than Steve Sutcliffe and/or road conditions and temperature were different.

*reminder to himself:needs to go to grocery store to buy some apples and oranges*

Cheers
Robin

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Could you leave some *relevant * data ?

15 years of initial quality rating doesn't have anything to do with reliability ..

Dependability does. Just so happens they've also been at the top of IQS too. I updated with the correct dependability.

[Alex_bm]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

It's no 911 in terms of feel but definitely better than most cars. I find the car to be a lot of fun and really enjoy what it offers. Easy to lay in the throttle and really provides a level of practicality I need for a daily driver.
I also disagree on being geared towards practicality. It's geared for fun driving, and all you need to do it hit the sport butting or sport + and it plays the duality factor as good if not better than any car. Plus with things like ptv and pasm it definitely makes for fun driving.

Not saying that it's not fun at all. It's definitely more fun that SUVs built by most competitors. It is also more fun than some of the cars. Camry comes to mind.
It's not even near as fun as m235 nor the m3. Cayman and 911 are too far from what Macan can offer. Just my opinion.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

JD power survey for the UK and not a Porsche in sight

Porsche over the years have been riddled with problems with their engines and drive train.I've had two 911's and both have had major engine problems.The only engine that was any good was the Metzger.

2015 UK VDS Rank 1.JPG

What's a Metzger?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

What's a Metzger?

http://www.total911.com/technology-e...mezger-engine/

Cheers
Robin

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

JD power survey for the UK and not a Porsche in sight

Porsche over the years have been riddled with problems with their engines and drive train.I've had two 911's and both have had major engine problems.The only engine that was any good was the Metzger.

2015 UK VDS Rank 1.JPG

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

What's a Metzger?

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

http://www.total911.com/technology-e...mezger-engine/

Cheers
Robin

Quite,my mistake " Mezger " of course of Hans Mezger fame

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Quite,my mistake " Mezger " of course of Hans Mezger fame

Just like misspelled 'Nurembergring' still quite obvious what is being meant isn't it


Cheers
Robin

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Quite,my mistake " Mezger " of course of Hans Mezger fame

I'm just kidding with you, I have two GT3's with Mezger engines (3.6 and 3.8)

[dammitcubs]

I do like that macan. Maybe I'll think about it as secondary car in the future...

[Xtabi]

Originally Posted by gtr

That's what I did. Macan GTS and GT4 for me. Both awesome vehicles.

That's awesome!

[Kayani_1]

Are you justifying that a manual M2 would be as quick as a DCT? If so, you do realize that you are talking about timing of cars on two different days, under different track conditions, and driven by two different drivers. Same track, same day, same driver the DCT M2 will be faster.

Just forget about it, don't know why I am wasting my time on this article of an over weight SUV being compared to a light weight sports coupe lol!!!

Originally Posted by dlk001

Steve Sutcliffe's M2 time is actually quick. He did 00:46.1, quicker than M2 DCT 00:46.7 tested on the same track against the Focus RS.

Nv

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

You won't miss the m3 at all. Macan is IMO more fun to drive. It has better steering feel, the throttle response is incredible, and the engine and exhaust note are actually pleasing and sound downright good. Plus you don't have traction issues and can really plant your foot down and have fun.
It's like having a practical Cayman S.

This is what I have come to learn coming from a Cayman S I just got rid of which I really liked. There are cars you like and love but find hard to live with for daily use and drivability but the Macan S is actually quite fun to live with. Good handling and great everyday usability. Do not need to slow down at every dip in the streets of Los Angeles. Bump Los Angeles roads feel normal now when compared to my Cayman S which found Los Angeles roads to be very bad. Trip up North to Santa Barbara in traffic did not feel as tiresome as it would have been in my last Cayman S. I think this car offers the best of both worlds for everyday driving.

[Amnizu]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Ha, that's my dream garage! We had the Macan S and an M225 (still have that one). Unless you need to haul a boat or lots of kids or something I cannot imagine a better combo to have in the garage.

I actually have a 1M and a Macan GTS. It is best combo I can think of. Macan for daily driving / run about and the 1M as the fun car.

[Amnizu]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I have a Porsche Macan and it's been flawless since day one.

Yeah Porsche has been topping most initial quality ratings in German cars for a couple years now. They days of the spun rod bearing 996s are well behind them.