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If it's outright effortless pace you want, the M2 is better surely. If it's a bit of a challenge you want, then I suppose the 1M may be more satisfying. So BMW have made a car for both kinds of driver....... Perfect. The guys who want it really easy and safe buy RS3's. |
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This is a very interesting article and thank you for sharing. When I drove the M235i and 228i MSport like a bazillion times, I similarly noticed the ease at which the 228 drove. It does have a 50/50 balance and getting an honest 36mpg doesn't suck. Yeah the motor doesn't sound so hot though. And the stage 1 tune is a cost effective power mod. I also didn't want to spend more money on the 235i when all reports said the M2 was coming sometime, which I definitely plan to trade up for next year.
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06-11-2016, 11:37 AM | #92 | |
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06-11-2016, 12:15 PM | #93 | ||
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Re-read the points of my post. I didn't argue that the 235 isn't a faster car. I argued that it's not as fun or as well balanced a car for everyday use. It's hundreds pounds heavier overall, too. That takes its toll. And folks, it's not like the 228 is slow. It's not a dog, by any stretch. So don't even try to say it is. (Now my old '06 Mini Cooper? That car was a relative dog speed-wise. But DAMN it was a fun car to drive.) I missed that the 228 has PSSs on it. Interesting that R&T felt compelled to alter OEM in that case ... and, again, it tells us nothing new because it's well known that regular tires perform better than RFTs on pretty much any car they're installed on.
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06-11-2016, 12:39 PM | #94 | |
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As far as is x328 slow or not.....havent driven one, but my S2000 makes 240hp and weights 2850 lbs....its slow, sometime painfully slow. Its light years ahead in every department except for power vs m325i, N55 engine is why I switched....for now EDIT: also we are not even taking in consideration that suspension on M325i might be different to compensate for extra 150lbs in front. I dont really care myself so not going to look up the part numbers etc Last edited by Kolyan2k; 06-11-2016 at 01:28 PM.. |
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06-11-2016, 01:51 PM | #95 |
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The 228i with Msport can be ordered with PSS tires in MY2016.I was confused when I saw those tires on their test car also with the standard single piston,floating caliper brakes.I thought it was a typo,but the PSS's are available with THP and Msport this MY according to build your own at BMWUSA.
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06-11-2016, 07:57 PM | #96 |
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The 1 series has much better steering than the 2 series and the 128i is lighter than all these cars and therefore clearly a better car. Really not sure why BMW built the 2 series line at all.
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06-11-2016, 08:46 PM | #97 | |
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Last weekend I did a BMWCCA tour from the Seattle area to Hurricane Ridge in the Olympic mountains. I was behind a beautiful red 128i that had an amazing sounding exhaust. I read an article years ago where of course the author pontificated about the 128i being the last true BMW available. We'll keep hearing that crap about one car or another time after time. But I think a 128 with the 6 speed and that sweet, slightly underpowered NA straight 6 is the last Purist BMW. I know, opinion are like assholes. As far as the article, mostly poorly written and full of absurd statements..235i is like a Buick. Come on. I think R&T is still the better of the car mags. They just slipped up this time. One other thing. The 228 with the manual tranny disappointed the hell out of me. Much better paired with the ZF. Out |
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06-11-2016, 11:08 PM | #98 | |
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Car magazines calculate and alter these numbers based on temps and conditions. So their figures should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. That 0-60 time shows that clearly. |
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06-11-2016, 11:13 PM | #99 | |
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Care to elaborate? I've always wanted to drive and compare the 2 but haven't been able to. Everyone I've asked/reviews read on this forum said they actually feel very similar for being two different tranys. I would assume the ZF would be nicer though. |
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Yes but not necessarily equally. Depends how they adjust the times. Ie. maybe their calc was done on a different day or other variables. So I wouldn't say its a 1 to 1 increase or decrease between cars. All I know is thats how they do it. The 4.6 0-60 on the 235 is correct though. I'd say the stock trap speed on the 228 is closer to 101. 98 is low...
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The 1 series steering is better as I have both in my garage. America would not understand as they don't have the 1 series.
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Don't forgot though, the automatics tend to post ~2mph higher trap speeds and are around .2 seconds quicker because they lose no boost on the shift and can brake boost for a harder launch (plus the torque converter increase torque multiplication of the launch as well over a manual). This is the first test I've seen for a 228i 6MT. All I've read about are tested automatics which were tested to run ~upper 13s@100mph.
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Read the article in the magazine, was pleasantly surprised by the result, and came here for the discussion. Nice to know BMW still makes an entry-level car that's as rewarding as this one. Would've liked to see a similarly spec-ed representative from the E46 & E90 generations for this comparison.
I'm still eagerly awaiting the M2, 1M, M4, and E46 & E92 M3 supercomparo...
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(By the way: Last time I checked, 150 + 40 = 190, which rounds up to 200. That qualifies as 'hundreds'. Nice try.)
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There's a thread somewhere around here, i can't find it, that starts a track car build with a stripped 228i manual... and it weighed in at 3100lbs.
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