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      11-19-2019, 02:18 PM   #67
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M2 Competition VS 718 GT4

I have owned the M2 Comp for 3 months now and here are some quick thoughts.
So much bang for buck car! What else would you get that has this performance for the price?
I live in Europe so my car has the OPF, this has been my major issue with the car.
Stock the M2c is way to quite so a exhaust is mandatory. I got the Milltek system with OPF delete and decat downpipes. Sound has been crazy good after that.
The problem after that has been that the DME/ECU is locked in the 2020 model. So there is no software tuning ability at all for this model.
So I ordered a RaceChip figuring it would only take a few weeks for ProtuningFreaks to fix the problem.
The RaceChip has been okay giving the car 515Hp, this piggyback is very simple and does not clear codes like downpipes or OPF.
So the downpipes give a constant CEL but the big pain has been the new OPF system. There is a built in sensor in the engine that checks the air flow resistance through the OPFs. The Millteks that are on my car have no filter so it trips the sensor and puts the car in Limp Mode.
First time was super scary! Felt like I lost all boost. Car goes down to 10% power. This happens EVERY time on 5000rpm and also happens when boost is high. It's almost impossible to overtake without going in to limp-mode.
Since this has happened I have not felt like using the car, just been waiting for a tuning company to figure it out.


Porsche

I have been on the list for the new GT4 for over 2 years and really try to get a good connection with my local Porsche dealer. In May I got a call from Porsche saying that they won't follow a waiting list for the new GT4 but rather the dealership had to pitch Porsche why this person should get the allocation. 2 weeks after this call I bought the M2 Competition instead.

3 Months later

The Boss from Porsche dealership called me up and said he had heard I was dissatisfied with experience with his dealership. We had a long conversation about allocations and he was explaining that these cars will go to there customers that have several Porsche cars for example Cayenne for family car and GT3 as a sports car. He was great guy and no hard feeling, this is how these things work.
1 Day later a sales rep from Porsche called me and said his boss wanted to offer me there very first build slot for the GT4! Of course I said yes right away, now I just have to get rid of the M2 Comp.
Later that week was Frankfurt auto show so we flew there to check out the GT4. Wow! This car makes you feel special, sitting in the 918 carbon bucket seat just inches over the ground, holding the alcantara steering wheel felt great!
Can't wait to drive my new car!
Very nice car! Congrats.

Are you getting the delivery down in Germany or up here?

Just keep away from those VW asskissers @ Porsche club.
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      11-20-2019, 09:21 AM   #68
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That's al nice, but the main difference will be the 718 GT4 PDK version, ETA 2nd quarter 2020

The long gearing from the 6MT (both 981 and 718) is not this car deserves, PDK will be a little shorter, does the car more justice, bonus; it will be faster also
Where did you see 2nd quarter 2020 for the PDK version Romo?
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      11-20-2019, 10:16 AM   #69
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^ETA PDK 2nd quarter 2020 comes from my dealer. (Netherlands)

PDK expected to be ordered 2nd quarter 2020, first PDK GT4/Spyders delivery June 2020

I have a signed order for my GT4 PDK ETA June 15th (FWIW)
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      11-23-2019, 11:49 AM   #70
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Can't believe nobody's added a picture of each. I'll do the honours.

Added an R8 v10 Performance and 992 911 C4S for sake of completeness!
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      11-24-2019, 12:37 AM   #71
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Can't believe nobody's added a picture of each. I'll do the honours.

Added an R8 v10 Performance and 992 911 C4S for sake of completeness!
That 992 is a VERY nice looking car. I was following one the other day. It was in a weird beige tinged version of Hockenheim silver. It's bloody H-U-G-E though!

What made me laugh is the guy in the car next to me not noticing the 992 at all and staring at the M2C.

The yellow one with that silly smiley face at the front. It just looks ridiculous.
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      11-24-2019, 01:28 PM   #72
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If I could afford either instead of my M2C.
NO DOUBT, I'd get the Gt4/ but I'd honestly rather have the spyder.
I want it for the experience, not the figures. and a top down 4.0 N/A with all the rigidity and 2 trunks. Yes please.
Put my stuff in the front trunk, and my extra pair of pants and boxers in the back for the upcoming mess in my pants from that lovely lovely sound.
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      11-24-2019, 08:07 PM   #73
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Can't believe nobody's added a picture of each. I'll do the honours.

Added an R8 v10 Performance and 992 911 C4S for sake of completeness!
Wow! That 992 is gorgeous.
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      11-27-2019, 04:04 AM   #74
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If I could afford either instead of my M2C.
NO DOUBT, I'd get the Gt4/ but I'd honestly rather have the spyder.
I want it for the experience, not the figures. and a top down 4.0 N/A with all the rigidity and 2 trunks. Yes please.
Put my stuff in the front trunk, and my extra pair of pants and boxers in the back for the upcoming mess in my pants from that lovely lovely sound.
Spyder is still the bikini top? That's the only annoying part.

With a chassis designed as a roadster, I don't mind the roadster version. When I bought my Z4M I was really looking for a coupe but ended up with a great deal on a roadster. I do not regret getting the roadster at all.
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      11-27-2019, 11:24 PM   #75
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That 992 is a VERY nice looking car. I was following one the other day. It was in a weird beige tinged version of Hockenheim silver. It's bloody H-U-G-E though!

What made me laugh is the guy in the car next to me not noticing the 992 at all and staring at the M2C.

The yellow one with that silly smiley face at the front. It just looks ridiculous.
I see what you mean about the "smiley face" - and now that you made that comment, I can't UN-SEE it.

I agree the 992 is huge, certainly compared to a classic 911, but compared to the M2 of course it's the same width and less than 2" longer. That said, it could use some diet and exercise to lose both a few pounds and a few inches.
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Spyder is still the bikini top? That's the only annoying part.

With a chassis designed as a roadster, I don't mind the roadster version. When I bought my Z4M I was really looking for a coupe but ended up with a great deal on a roadster. I do not regret getting the roadster at all.
I agree about the weird top of the Spyder - it sounds annoying to use and, to my eyes, annoying to look at. On the other hand, I don't like the look of the giant wing on the GT4 (even tho it's functional), so each one has a drawback to me. However, the worst part of the pair may be the obnoxiously tall gearing.
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Spyder is still the bikini top? That's the only annoying part.

With a chassis designed as a roadster, I don't mind the roadster version. When I bought my Z4M I was really looking for a coupe but ended up with a great deal on a roadster. I do not regret getting the roadster at all.
I agree about the weird top of the Spyder - it sounds annoying to use and, to my eyes, annoying to look at. On the other hand, I don't like the look of the giant wing on the GT4 (even tho it's functional), so each one has a drawback to me. However, the worst part of the pair may be the obnoxiously tall gearing.
The GT4 and Spyder are great track cars but I don't think they are fun road cars.

83mph at the top of 2nd gear! With an NA engine with max torque coming in at 5,000 RPM, you would want to wring it out to redline but you are in the speeding ticket territory after only one gear shift.
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      12-30-2019, 03:57 PM   #78
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I just got my M2 Competition, and also have a 981 GT4 in the stable as well.

I know the OP was asking for the M2 CS, but these two cars are not really comparable. Basically, 718 GT4 is a tweaked 981 with more aero and a different engine. I am actually thinking of trading in the 981 for a 718 GT4 RS once it is available.

I really like the M2 Comp. hence why I bought one, and I have no prejudice answering this question but practicality aside, if I were to choose one car out of the two, hands down it would be the GT4.

For those people who daily drive, and need 4 seats etc... the answer would already be different. But from a pure driving standpoint the GT4 easily stands out.
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I agree the 992 is huge, certainly compared to a classic 911, but compared to the M2 of course it's the same width and less than 2" longer. That said, it could use some diet and exercise to lose both a few pounds and a few inches.
Yes, it not so big. I went and had a look at one. It's the first Porsche that interests me since the 993. Really beautiful looking car. Really beautiful. So much nicer than the crap they've been putting out for the last 20 years.

Sucks that you can't change gear with a shift lever like on the M2 DCT especially as the paddles are not column mounted. Dash looks cool but an ergonomic mess.

I do like it a lot. Then again it is $US 230k over here on the road. I like it a lot but not that much.
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Yes, it not so big. I went and had a look at one. It's the first Porsche that interests me since the 993. Really beautiful looking car. Really beautiful. So much nicer than the crap they've been putting out for the last 20 years.

Sucks that you can't change gear with a shift lever like on the M2 DCT especially as the paddles are not column mounted. Dash looks cool but an ergonomic mess.

I do like it a lot. Then again it is $US 230k over here on the road. I like it a lot but not that much.
With CS money in OZ, one can buy a used Cayman GT4 with a few thousand Ks in mileages or a used 997.1 GT3

I have even seen a few used M4 GTS in that range but now they are all gone
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Yes, it not so big. I went and had a look at one. It's the first Porsche that interests me since the 993. Really beautiful looking car. Really beautiful. So much nicer than the crap they've been putting out for the last 20 years.

Sucks that you can't change gear with a shift lever like on the M2 DCT especially as the paddles are not column mounted. Dash looks cool but an ergonomic mess.

I do like it a lot. Then again it is $US 230k over here on the road. I like it a lot but not that much.
With CS money in OZ, one can buy a used Cayman GT4 with a few thousand Ks in mileages or a used 997.1 GT3

I have even seen a few used M4 GTS in that range but now they are all gone
Don't like either of them. I'm still thinking about CS though.
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I was having this debate as well personally and test drove a 2016 GT4 and OG M2 a couple weeks apart and was very comfortable going the M2CS route after doing so for me. I was looking for a car I could drive for fun during the summer and for car gatherings and turn around and comfortably knock out a half dozen track days or more each year, something both cars will do great. After driving them though, the M2 was MUCH more fun as a daily driver for city streets and work commuting. The extra seats were also a bonus.

Things others may find more surprising... There was significantly more road noise in the GT4 than M2, overall exhaust/engine was better in M2 in part because it had personality from low revs up versus GT4 only started to sing above 5k, and you just couldn't get there much in the Porsche in normal driving. Getting in and out was easier in the M2 which isn't a surprise but some other ergonomics were more familiar to me so I preferred that as well, and the ingress mattered to me for taking the car to work and getting in and out five or six times in a day. The GT4 also had constant transmission whine at all speeds that was annoying to me to hear over engine and exhaust.

Overall I didn't feel that the CS you would give up much in driving precision or track performance and significantly made up for it in fun factor. "Grins" score during the test drive was a no contest.

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I like gt4 a lot, you can go up to 185km/h in second gear.
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Come on now, it's awesome except for the price tag. The M2 CS will not hold a candle. The CS models are barely warmed over.
This honestly did not age well
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This honestly did not age well
I stand by that still, the only things the M2 CS are better at is having back seats and costing less. I think even a 718 S is a better driver's car than any BMW.
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