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      01-12-2018, 01:38 AM   #1
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Snow, freezing rain and -35 wind chill aren’t very conducive to driving fun, but at least my car said “Hi” when I went out to the garage tonight.

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Apparently you guys don’t live in a state where the over-applied, metal-munching, anti-ice chemicals (with sand) get so deep that they look like snow drifts when they blow off the roads.
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Spa2k just wondering are you leasing or did you purchase the car?

I purchased my M2 and it is also in the garage hibernating until Spring—plugged in and ready to go. Even though leasing the M2 does not make sense, a lot of people still do and most of them would probably drive them all year long otherwise they are not getting their money's worth. They might also not have another car in the garage for Winter.
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Spa2k just wondering are you leasing or did you purchase the car?

I purchased my M2 and it is also in the garage hibernating until Spring—plugged in and ready to go. Even though leasing the M2 does not make sense, a lot of people still do and most of them would probably drive them all year long otherwise they are not getting their money's worth. They might also not have another car in the garage for Winter.
I can see where you might be coming from but honestly imho the only reason to not drive an M2 or m3 in winter is simply if one lacks the skill to drive rwd in winter conditions.

Its not an exotic and not going to appreciate in value.
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I can see where you might be coming from but honestly imho the only reason to not drive an M2 or m3 in winter is simply if one lacks the skill to drive rwd in winter conditions.

Its not an exotic and not going to appreciate in value.
Does the 'h' in 'imho' still stand for 'humble'? 'Cause that's not exactly a humble opinion - more like inflammatory.

Like some others on here, I don't drive my M2 when the roads are snowy and/or salty - because I don't have to and choose not to. Heck, I don't even drive my beloved old '99 Miata in such conditions. I have my 2011 GTI for that. (The Miata is certainly no exotic either and it isn't even mint but it's rust-free & looks damn good for 19 years and 133k - I think avoiding road chemicals helped. )

I have two reasons for this, and neither has anything to do with value or depreciation, since I couldn't care less about such things:

First, I simply enjoy driving the M2 and plan to keep it a long time, like my Miata, provided it proves to be at least half as reliable as my bulletproof old roadster.

Second, I don't feel like dealing with the hassle of storing and swapping a second set of tires for winter.

That said, I've done it before, so it's not like I haven't tried it and I'm more than capable of driving a rwd car in the snow - I used to have a 2008 G35 sedan (rwd, 6MT) and it was an absolute beast in the snow with its winter tires and I actually enjoyed it in the snow. So I understand how great a rwd car can be in the snow, but you don't see me trolling those who choose to drive their M2's in winter conditions. In fact, I enjoy their winter pictures and reading about their winter exploits with their M2s.
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I can see where you might be coming from but honestly imho the only reason to not drive an M2 or m3 in winter is simply if one lacks the skill to drive rwd in winter conditions.

Its not an exotic and not going to appreciate in value.
Does the 'h' in 'imho' still stand for 'humble'? 'Cause that's not exactly a humble opinion - more like inflammatory.

Like some others on here, I don't drive my M2 when the roads are snowy and/or salty - because I don't have to and choose not to. Heck, I don't even drive my beloved old '99 Miata in such conditions. I have my 2011 GTI for that. (The Miata is certainly no exotic either and it isn't even mint but it's rust-free & looks damn good for 19 years and 133k - I think avoiding road chemicals helped. )

I have two reasons for this, and neither has anything to do with value or depreciation, since I couldn't care less about such things:

First, I simply enjoy driving the M2 and plan to keep it a long time, like my Miata, provided it proves to be at least half as reliable as my bulletproof old roadster.

Second, I don't feel like dealing with the hassle of storing and swapping a second set of tires for winter.

That said, I've done it before, so it's not like I haven't tried it and I'm more than capable of driving a rwd car in the snow - I used to have a 2008 G35 sedan (rwd, 6MT) and it was an absolute beast in the snow with its winter tires and I actually enjoyed it in the snow. So I understand how great a rwd car can be in the snow, but you don't see me trolling those who choose to drive their M2's in winter conditions. In fact, I enjoy their winter pictures and reading about their winter exploits with their M2s.
Not sure how my opinion can be taken as inflammatory or constitute as trolling when I was responding to the posters assumption. According to your definition wouldn't anyone that says anything other than "Hey, great pic OP" be considered as trolling.

Just meant to say it's a an absolute joy driving these cars in winter being rwd and the person questioning if it's a lease is missing out on fun.

However I see your point as well if ones desire is to keep the car for very long time and worried about grime and salt affecting the vehicle. But if you plan on selling it what's the point of keeping it pretty for the next guy.
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Spa2k just wondering are you leasing or did you purchase the car?
I own the car, which is why I don't expose it to chemicals and sand that will destroy it.

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I can see where you might be coming from but honestly imho the only reason to not drive an M2 or m3 in winter is simply if one lacks the skill to drive rwd in winter conditions.

Its not an exotic and not going to appreciate in value.
As a former ice racer, I have the skills and use them in my other vehicles. My desire with the M2 is to not have damage caused by winter driving diminish its value. If it were a leased vehicle or one that I planned on trading after a couple of years, the situation would be different.

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I understand how great a rwd car can be in the snow, but you don't see me trolling those who choose to drive their M2's in winter conditions. In fact, I enjoy their winter pictures and reading about their winter exploits with their M2s.
Me too. Plus, my daily driver MINI JCW on Blizzaks is an absolute beast in the snow and ice.

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But if you plan on selling it what's the point of keeping it pretty for the next guy.
I completely understand your point, but the answer for me is money in the bank. If I can fully enjoy a car and keep it in great shape (without being anal about it) to maintain top value at resale time, then I've gotten the best of both worlds. Also, your situation and mindset about winter driving up north is probably a little different from mine in the U.S. Midwest. My M2 doesn't get put away until the first snow in December - and it's usually back on the street after (hopefully) only 3 months of storage.
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I own the car, which is why I don't expose it to chemicals and sand that will destroy it.

As a former ice racer, I have the skills and use them in my other vehicles. My desire with the M2 is to not have damage caused by winter driving diminish its value. If it were a leased vehicle or one that I planned on trading after a couple of years, the situation would be different.

Me too. Plus, my daily driver MINI JCW on Blizzaks is an absolute beast in the snow and ice.

I completely understand your point, but the answer for me is money in the bank. If I can fully enjoy a car and keep it in great shape (without being anal about it) to maintain top value at resale time, then I've gotten the best of both worlds. Also, your situation and mindset about winter driving up north is probably a little different from mine in the U.S. Midwest. My M2 doesn't get put away until the first snow in December - and it's usually back on the street after (hopefully) only 3 months of storage.
OP not stating all who don't drive RWD in winter, do not have the skills but rather if you own a rwd and yet don't drive it, the only thing that should stop you is the lack of skill.

Winter is one of the few times I believe you get that Miata type of feeling from a car of this weight & size. Going at speed limit feels much faster sliding around everywhere. The M2 should be more of an event in that nature with the smaller wheelbase. That's why it's hard for me to fathom storing it even for 3 months.

Not sure of all the differences between the roads in winter over in the midwest compared to up North here. However, in my experience, all my bimmers have been winter driven. After 4 years, I had yet to notice any deterioration directly related to winter use (salt). I believe that speak volumes of the galvanized steel used on Bimmers more than anything. Even the paint, with all the new sealants like Cquartz, it's been remarkable, granted I do wash the car often.

Financial concerns are understandable, especially in relation to accidents. Probability is much higher in winter based on stats alone. In Canada though, when I was looking at what price to post my e92 m3 for, I noticed the price difference between winter driven and non were minimal at best. More to do with miles, year and for some reason the color.

Nway this is just my 2 cents. Hope to join you guys with an M2 in the future once my kid learns to walk.
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...if you own a rwd and yet don't drive it [in winter], the only thing that should stop you is the lack of skill.
...or you don't want to get road salt/chemicals on it, or (as you mention) you don't want to take the significantly higher risk of some non-snow-driving idiot running into it, or you have another car and don't wanna deal with tire-swapping hassle for it.

So I see at least three other things that might make someone not take their M2 out in the snow.
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To be fair I could give you more than 3 reasons to not drive in winter. Honestly there are plenty of reasons to take public transportation in most urban cities than drive a vehicle. Regardless some of us do it and some don't. Again it was just an opinion!
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I leased my M2 - not going to defend my reasons for doing so yet again, I have done this in previous threads already - and I don't drive it in the winter - no need as I have an SUV for that. As I have stated many times on this forum, everyone has their own set of unique circumstances and reasons for doing what they do...and these are not necessarily going to be the same as yours. Doesn't mean you are "right" and they are "wrong" or vise versa...it is what it is. I had many years of fun driving my WRX and more recently, an F30 in the snow, never putting either into the guardrail or another car. For me, I just see a lot of people these days who simply don't know how to drive in bad weather so I chose to leave my "nice" car at home on bad weather days. Does this mean I won't be t-boned by some asshat texting on his phone on a sunny & dry day in the middle of June...this could happen of course. For me it's about risk mitigation and probability. Nothing to do with the capabilities of the car or me as a driver, just a personal choice given my current set of circumstances.
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Plenty of reasons for and against driving the M2 in the winter. I've owned 4 rwd BMWs previously and fitted each of them with some snows and drove them through winter. Each has been very capable - and a lot of fun in the snow.

With my M2, I decided to hibernate it and bought a 2007 Touareg as my winter vehicle. I'll miss not being able to have huge slow speed drifts but I wont miss the paint getting chipped up from gravel and the under body corroding from salt.
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I can see where you might be coming from but honestly imho the only reason to not drive an M2 or m3 in winter is simply if one lacks the skill to drive rwd in winter conditions.

Its not an exotic and not going to appreciate in value.
Obviously you don't live in a place where rocks and chemicals beat the absolute shit out of your car in the winter. I have a beater for that and believe me it gets annihilated. Salt/chemicals are murder on your bushings and metal components.

I could say something similarly callous. "honestly imho the only reason to drive your M2 in winter is you can't afford a second car"

Now believe me if it was just snow and ice, I'd be out there.But it's not. It's brutal. I just can't ethically subject the M2 to that right now. Cold/crisp/dry day yep NP.

What's this about your kid walking and not being able to drive an M2? Wha? M2 is an awesome family car. Getting my kid in and out of it is super easy (seriously)
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Not me - I don't want to get salt and sand in there ...
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...Not to mention rocks or chemicals
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